Ayu's blood

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Phantoma

Ayu has huge ears, dude. o_O

lol

[HvnSntGurl]

I was thinking the same thing when I watched her Beautiful Fighters video. She hardly looked Japanese at all in that video. Who knows what race her father was. He could have been British for all we know. People swear Ken Hirai isn't full Japanese but he is.

[Raiu-Ayu]

Ayu could be of mixed blood. She hasn't said she isn't so she could be.

By the way, her father my have been half Japanese half American so she would be a quater American. She would still have mixed blood. Her mother might have mixed blood and so ayu would be part whatever.

And as far as I know Kurumi Hamazaki was a name ayu used during her b-movie days. She made it up, it's a phsyondium or something like that. It's what people like actors, singers and writers give when they don't want to submit their real names. Most of the cast of Metal Gear Solid one used them

[immel]

Originally Posted by Dustie

I know that was all just a theory, but I don't think I could agree.

The point of this thread is that no-one is looking for agreement, it's just about discussing the possibility.

Originally Posted by devilayu

I'll bet we'll see this on wiki one day. XD

I wouldn't bet against you .

Uhh, this thread has started to become a bit too repetitive, a lot of people is bringing up the same things. I like how it started out, though.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by HvnSntGurl

I was thinking the same thing when I watched her Beautiful Fighters video. She hardly looked Japanese at all in that video. Who knows what race her father was. He could have been British for all we know. People swear Ken Hirai isn't full Japanese but he is.

I would be pretty shocked though if Ken didn't have some caucasion though somewhere in his background. Like even his great grandparents or something - otherwise, he is a pretty big genetic stand out.

[AyUmIXx]

evolution7931: my friend who lived in Japan for the study exchange told me about AINU...and seems that it was right..
AINU people is just like the origin people of Japan before Japanese people took place of their islands..
like Aborigines are the original people of Australia and Indians are the original people of America..

and Japanese people are actually parted of Chinese people.
they were somehow splitted long long ago...and had their own countries with different languages and different cultures..

the Ainu people might have mixed with Japanese people and had their descendants...then because ainu people were just a few...and japanese people who mixed with Ainu people grew more and more..
finally, there were european or american came to Japanese in order to do some businesses or for war or something..
japanese people might have mixed with the American or European people..

that was what i heard from my friend...

and read here:

50,000 people with half or more Ainu ancestry


150,000 Japanese people with some Ainu ancestry

(some estimates on the number of Japanese with some Ainu blood range as high as 1,000,000; the exact number is unknown)


Pre-Japanese era: ~50,000, almost all pure Ainu

*haha we're like talking about the old japanese people..*

credit to: wikipedia

[JesA]

those are good points...i think there is a slim chance that she might be part American. and, i dont think her natural hair color is brown, cuz i have a pic of her in her pre-avex era, and her hair is really dark. its kinda hard to tell though cuz her hair blends with the background...i'll try and upload the picture in a sec

EDIT:http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4700/ayumi1181zj.jpg

[bulmasman]

Can i just ask one thing... why half american? could be half british or any other caucasian nationality o.O

[immel]

^That has been quite thoroughly discussed throughout the thread, there is a certain reason to why many here belive that it might be American blood flowing in her veins, if she would be of mixed blood.

[Ryoko]

Interesting points.

[bulmasman]

Originally Posted by immel

^That has been quite thoroughly discussed throughout the thread, there is a certain reason to why many here belive that it might be American blood flowing in her veins, if she would be of mixed blood.

My mind must be going off on it's own... i've read through the thread but i've been spacing out all day lol. sorry ^^;;

[truehappiness]

Someone do a PI investigation on Ayu. xD

~_~

[Dreamland]

^lol thats probably the only way we'll be able to find out unless someone asks her personally or or she tells us

[immel]

PI?

[truehappiness]

Private Investigator.. aka 'Private Eye'~

Sometimes people hire these people to find out background information about people among other things~ :x

[immel]

Oh, okay, I'll put up a page with a Donate button to collect money for one of them .

[Aisha_Angel]

Actually, when I first saw the PV for RAINBOW; my mother and sister walked in and immediately said that they believed her father must have been of black or hispanic descent. They said her nose reminded them of it. And it kind of does to me too. Umm, I do know one thing though; she just may be part American because if her father just "left" and never came back; he MAY have been an American service man on duty or something. Perhaps he met her mother, swooned her and then left her with poor baby-Ayu. I have heard that that's happened alot. Perhaps that's the answer????

I will say this though...If I were the man who got Ayu's mother pregnant I'd have been fessed up now. I mean come on, look at her success and her sadness as well...If he knows that he is the father he should be a real man and tell her who she is...That way she can vent out all her frustrations and be truly happy. Or at least that's what I think...

[sora2522]

Originally Posted by immel

Maybe Ayu wouldn't, but her contract with avex might say otherwise.

either that, or she didn't know that her dad was american? i mean, c'mon. her mom prolly didn't get along with him, or maybe she did but was heartbroken when he left. one way or another, she wouldn't have talked to ayu about him. just my suggestion, but yea...

[kristen]

This is so interesting! And what I find even more interesting is how people are getting so worked up and actually defending their belief that Ayu is 100% japanese when really, they don't even have valid proof. I imagine though, it is a little more believable to accept that Ayu is 100% japanese but I think its a little biased and ignorant to not even consider the possibility that Ayu could be of mixed blood.

Though I have to agree with whoever said it; it doesn't make much sense for Ayu to like the US simply because she's 1/2 american; If she were around it a lot as a kid, that could play a part in why, but other than that... I mean, a good majority of this forum isn't of asian blood, but we still like Japan.

As for the eyes being totally dark being a "japanese trend"... i don't believe that for a second. My sister is 50% german and 50% american, like me, and she has (no lie) black eyes. While im stuck with blue x_o

I think its just as possible for ayu to be mixed as it is for her to be 100% japanese. And if you really think about it, there's just as little proof of her being japanese as there is of her being mixed.

As the originator of this thread, I just want to take this quick-coming 8-page point to clear up what I originally said, for those who don't properly read each and every post.

(1) I was not "accusing" Ayu of being anything, nor was I attempting to "inform" anybody of any secrets of Ayu's life, or to start a rumor. I know just as much as everybody else does about her. But the question of her race was just such a neat, novel idea to me, I thought it would be interesting to discuss the possibility. The truth is, nobody here knows, nor will they probably ever know.

(2) When I initially said "exotically white", I meant "caucasian, with exotic features, uncharacteristic to a caucasian person". I never mentioned anything about flesh tone. But as I also stated, physical features really mean nothing in this discussion. A lot of people are half-A, half-B, and yet they look ENTIRELY B. There is really no way of knowing by eye.

(3a) I brought up Ayu's affinity for American things, and also her regard (first, somewhat stand-offish, and recently quite accepting) to the English language. I then said that these things are entirely psychoanalytical, and could be DEEP-ROOTED subconcious reactions to things that have happened to Ayu in her childhood; thus, these are things nobody here is qualified to answer. I never said "being white makes you like white people" or "being half-A makes you love country-A". That would be plainly ignorant. What I was suggesting is something along the concept of a child who was once kicked by a horse before their own span of memory, who then develops a fear of riding horses later in life. If that's possible, then it would be entirely possible for someone to be hurt/loved by an American long ago, and one day find an unexplicable dislike/like for something you personally associate with America.

(3b) Because of the psychoanalitical nature of the topic, you cannot simply hold one person (Ayu) to another person's standard (Namie, Beni, a friend of yours, etc...). One person's reaction to something is in no way related to another person's reaction. The mind is a complicated, messy, messy place, especially in the case of Ayu, who I think we can all generally agree, has an extremely complex personality.

(4) I used "American" as an example because of the issue that was originally discussed in the other thread. Ayu comes from a town with a US military presence, and it's very common for US military personnel to start families with locals, in whatever country they may be. Plus, Ayu's career reflects the most influence of American themes and cultures than any non-Japanese culture. I also only used "half-American" kind of generically. She could be 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 something, absolutely. Although the 1/2 bloodline (i.e. parental) would make more sense than smaller fractions like 1/4 (grand-parental), simply because of the timeline (Ayu was born in the late 1970s, a time more likely to find an American-Japanese couple, rather than the 1940-1950s for her grandparents to be American-Japanese).

And sidenote... It's a little gross to see some people so adamantly against the idea. It's not an argument, one side against the other, even. There is no anti-Japanese, anti-American, or even pro-Japanese, pro-American content to this discussion. At least not to anything I have said (or will say). It's 100%, pure speculation and hypothetical discussion. To say "Ew, n0 \/\/4y, U ar du/\/\!" both misses the point and... is du/\/\.