Lets vent about ayu?/why did your fandom decrease

[~*Mabushii*~]

I still love a fair bit of Ayu's stuff, but I haven't liked her newest things. Her music video's lately have... well been pretty awful in terms of what I like for music videos. Her last.. 9 or 10 I think I've positively hated. I haven't really gotten into the songs lately either.

BRILLANTE and Return Road were the most recent PV's that were actually good.

I am hopeful that this next album will actually be good.

[truehappiness]

The music videos have been lacking a bit but I thought Sweet scar/Song 4 u were some of her better recent ones. The rest have mostly been overseas love stories....

[Mirrorcle]

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

[Surreal17]

Originally Posted by Mirrorcle

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

Omg, of course not! I don't know who said this to you but I don't remember of hearing something like this. Also, the message of the pv was quite different saying that people should take more care of themselves?...I'm not too fond of the pv but I admit that it's quite funny. I'm sure that ayu wouldn't convey something so ugly in one of her pv. It's just that she didn't made it very clear.

[RylanJames]

Originally Posted by Mirrorcle

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

Celebs always make stupid comments. I think Ayu maybe is just more comfortable with what she says, even if tackless. Think of American artists and how much they vent like Gaga though she preaches tolerance of course she can be a hypocrite. I myself I don't 'fat' people, as in I wish everyone to be in good health even though I went through a depressing year and gained 20 then lost it.. It's just, I think Ayu just doesn't care about being perfect anymore like some dull J-pop star as she has been influenced being in the states and just being a typical clean cut j-pop singer.


Though feel the love is crap, I am sure the budget for her videos will come with the rest of her singles her 16th anniversary seems to be big to make up for her lacking 15th so if anything be more excited haha

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by Mirrorcle

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

The comments she made on Twitter are like this (she doesn't really mention fat people unless there was a Japanese tweet about it, but most articles just called her a 'heroine of a Hollywood-comedy-style video'):

Of course I will listen all my loBely's opinions anytime. But thing is that you all haven't seen the real ending yet. Don't worry

The msg is how we feel about ourselves or have confidence after we have tried something really hard or serious- no matter what ppl think.

Most important thing is, She's fun and full of life, and her confidence shines, she feels beautiful herself <3 <3 <3

The execution was a little iffy, but I think the message was there. You could interpret it any way you want, but the message was definitely positive in the end.

[ayu-michan]

Originally Posted by Mirrorcle

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

I don't think we need another discussion over this PV as there were pages for you to read on the PV's thread... And they were serious heated and long posts lol. Many people might hate the PV but the message was somewhat clear to me, like it was said at some post above, interpret the PV however you want, but I'm sure that Ayu's message is positive and isnt't anything mean or hurtful, it's mostly because of the poor production. The tweet was definitely fake, I can confirm this because I remember myself stalking her twitter every second I could around the time the PV was out and Ayu never tweeted something like that. Anyway to sum it all up, it's not what you think ^^

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Mirrorcle

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

In the end of the PV the girl turns back into herself and hugs the confused guy. The message most likely was that the girl embodied the confidence of her idol (Ayu IS the girl's idol, she was watching Ayu on TV and she was singing Feel The Love on the scenes she was using headsets) and that confidence made her beautiful, and by feeling confident, not by losing weight, she got the guy.

But people should keep in mind Ayumi is from a different culture than her western fandom and that her aproach to several topics won't be the same a western popstar would have. They don't really have that "you are beautiful no matter what" mindset over there and their narratives have a strong focus on effort and discipline (think Superman x Dragon Ball... Clark was born the most powerful being on earth, while Goku has the potential of being powerful, but he only get there with sacrifice, discipline and tons of training).

[rikku1994]

Originally Posted by Mirrorcle

I am actually considering for the first time about whether or not I want to even listen to any of Ayu's music anymore because I just watched the "Feel the love" PV and am extremely hurt at the implication that fat girls don't deserve love (I am overweight myself). But the video on her official YouTube channel says it's the short version (it seems like the full one though, am I wrong?), so I keep thinking that maybe I just missed something... But then I heard that Ayu made a tweet saying she hates fat people (is this true?). I am so shocked and appalled, not to mention heartbroken since I've been a fan for about a decade.

Hahaha, omg some people can be so gullible lol

It was simply a very crappy music video that made everyone confused. Obviously, they're are trying give a positive message on that music video but failed to do so...

[Yumi(e)]

The REAL ending was the guy looking her (overweight girl) with a disgusting expression on his face.

Really inspiring, yeah.

And this:

was fake xD

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by Yumi(e)

And this:

was fake xD

Lmao, wtf. I died at the way this sentence is structured and expressed.

[primavera♥]

He's confused as to where his ideal ayu went. But the point was to not portray such a great image of him. He clearly doesn't deserve the girl. She's just really confident and comfy with herself now no matter what her crush thinks. And no, ayu didn't call anyone fat. If she did, I'm pretty sure she would have lost a lot of her foreign fans immediately.

What true happiness posted is ayu's intentions. It's a response to some tweet some girl wrote to ayu about her being upset by the video.

You can choose to do what you like about your fandom and to believe whatever you want, Mirrorcle. That's what everyone else does anyway.

I remember that one guy who gave up after the 'vulgarity' of Lady Dynamite or something lol people do whatever.

[Yumi(e)]

^ The guy was the admin of eneabba.

[YUKARI]

I'm not so interested because she's too quiet. I want to see her on tv, I want her to release new singles and etc. I liked Feel the love and I hoped to see a new single release in the first half of 2014 :/ but there's nothing so I think it's ok to be interested in other things like AKB and Nogizaka. Since I like them I always have new music to listen, new tv-shows to watch and I feel "up-to-date".

But still I like to listen her old music and find something I haven't yet watched on YouTube.

[Yumi(e)]

^ But what matters is what she felt watching that clip (I myself felt disapointed, tbh), not what ayu (later) wanted us to feel.
And I think it's a valid reason why Mirrorcle maybe felt her fandom/love/whatever decreased.

[ayu-michan]

^ If you're talking about that then yeah I do agree with you.

[adantatu2]

^ Exactly !!! And honestly the PV was trying to be "funny", that's all.

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by adantatu2

^ Exactly !!! And honestly the PV was trying to be "funny", that's all.

Yes that was intentions, but I remember a while back discussion over scandals such as every racial culture getting upset when their icons are used for purely artistic purposes and without regard for the history or nature of such symbols. I was told that intention doesn't rule out insult.

[Andrenekoi]

There's a huge diference between portraying important aspects of someone's culture on a rude/ignorant way and portraying something that isn't really part of any culture on a way people from a different culture than yours missunderstand. But of course fat weeabos get offended once they are reminded they are fat weeabos...

[Yumi(e)]

Maybe because overweight people already have enough of that around to tease, and now her/his favorite artist do the same (or he/she felt as if)
It is a delicate issue, because a Japanese or Spanish will not get a disease because their country is represented in an absurd or wrong way (chinese jokes for japanese, olé and sevillanas for spanish); however an overweight and low self-esteem can develop an eating disorder.
But of course, they are "fat weeabos" so whatever.