[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~sixxxxxx~

[oaristos]

That's really sad.

[Bigtop]

This is BS. Absolute BS. Now we're going to regret about the Oricon because they do NOT count foreiign sales...

...because if they do, Ayu would've been #1!!! Absolute BS!!!

Sorry for the harsh words...but it seems Avex may have overestimated the strength of DCT. I mean...I cannot understand why Ayu blew it up in the final day. Absolute nonsense!

I'm still not sure how this ended up a supposedly-to-be-#1-but-blew-it release. A combination of multiple factors? Not going to discuss those factors...but it could've been possible.

If sixxxxxx was released ONE WEEK LATER, then it could've been #1. Instead, this year Koda Kumi and Namie Amuro is in the #1 club...without Ayu. Ugh. (>_<)

Tough luck on the Ayu camp. I have to wonder once again...has much of Japan lost trust on Ayu...???

[RealLight]

That drop was scary, but I wasn't expecting her get #1 weekly anyway

[AyumiAi]

well A One only made it to #4, so if you think about it its not bad. Ofcourse #1 would have been amazing! curse this boy band, but the album is bliss, thats all that matters to me

[KarenPang]

Originally Posted by AyumiAi

well A One only made it to #4, so if you think about it its not bad. Ofcourse #1 would have been amazing! curse this boy band, but the album is bliss, thats all that matters to me

Umm DCT is a duo in which vocalist Yoshida Miwa is female o_O

That said it would have been great for sixxxxxx to get #1 but DCT has been around since 1988 . Hates are gonna hate but they're doing something right to sustain so long in popularity , likewise with this new best album of them

I rather Ayu lose out to the #1 spot with a respectable artiste rather than someone else . And for those who're bitter about it (especially for someone on AHS who's ALWAYS so particular on every single artiste that has to get #1 on Oricon regardless of which , even for artistes that he don't support/listen) , you should re-evaluate yourself if you're supporting Ayu based on her music , or is it based on how many #1's she had attained in the past ?

[AyumiAi]

Originally Posted by KarenPang

Umm DCT is a duo in which vocalist Yoshida Miwa is female o_O

AHH haha sorry i just assumed they were some boyband thanks tho!

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by KarenPang

Umm DCT is a duo in which vocalist Yoshida Miwa is female o_O

That said it would have been great for sixxxxxx to get #1 but DCT has been around since 1988 . Hates are gonna hate but they're doing something right to sustain so long in popularity , likewise with this new best album of them

I rather Ayu lose out to the #1 spot with a respectable artiste rather than someone else . And for those who're bitter about it (especially for someone on AHS who's ALWAYS so particular on every single artiste that has to get #1 on Oricon regardless of which , even for artistes that he don't support/listen) , you should re-evaluate yourself if you're supporting Ayu based on her music , or is it based on how many #1's she had attained in the past ?

I agree. And honestly bashing an artist who is around for so long like DCT and who actually put out a lot of great music in the past is just childish. As much as I love Ayu, but DCT really deserve selling great.

[KarenPang]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

I agree. And honestly bashing an artist who is around for so long like DCT and who actually put out a lot of great music in the past is just childish. As much as I love Ayu, but DCT really deserve selling great.

I don't listen to DCT but still the least people can do instead of bashing them for denying sixxxxxx #1 is to give them respect as they've been around for a really long time in the industry

Then again , this's not the 1st time I've seen petty/insensitive behaviour that have taken place . It seems that on here there's always a certain person (if not a group of people probably ?) that's always picking on artistes that have denied Ayu's past releases in not getting #1

For me I listen to a wide variety of artistes so for some artistes that 'beat' Ayu to get #1 in the past , I do feel that they deserve it especially if they don't have a single #1 in their discography prior to them finally getting 1 in their entire career

That said , sixxxxxx put up a good fight . I honestly thought it had a shot in #1 but end of the day , it did well considering solo artistes these days can't sell well

[TheRainbow]

Yeah, at least she was a strong contender this week. Great album nonetheless (imo).

[orbitalaspect]

DCT is doing something to get those boosts. Those numbers are not random enough to warrant normal sales. I've never seen this in the 9+ years I've been watching Oricon numbers. So, what are they doing to get an extra 8k in sales... On a Monday... that Oricon counts as actual sales?

[Bigtop]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

DCT is doing something to get those boosts. Those numbers are not random enough to warrant normal sales. I've never seen this in the 9+ years I've been watching Oricon numbers. So, what are they doing to get an extra 8k in sales... On a Monday... that Oricon counts as actual sales?

That was Sunday's sales numbers, not Monday's. But, still - I cannot believe this...how could that happen!?

Anyways, I was right concerning Dreams Come True: we weren't concerned about Sungmo - we, especially I, were concerned about DCT - and how they could spoil Ayu, despite the fact DCT released it LAST MONTH. How crazy the numbers have been selling...and I have a feeling they're going to go #1 next week?!

Back to the extra 8,000 in sales...that is ridiculous. Last lap pass on a race that seemed unlikely...but happened. Or a lead that was blown in the final minute of a game...

Now what? Are we going to see Ayu haters trolling on her for losing that lead? Like "Ayu's running (the still glitchy) Windows 10 while DCT is running (not as new but more stable) Windows 8.1?" Sorry for the computer analogy, since I'm interested in computers, but I have a feeling Ayu losing the lead to DCT in the final day of counting sales may have attracted Ayu hater trolling...

[KuuXAyu-fan]

DCT is officially #1 with 32k confirmed by Oricon
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2057416/

It must have been very close, wonder how many copies were keeping them apart in the end...

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

DCT is doing something to get those boosts. Those numbers are not random enough to warrant normal sales. I've never seen this in the 9+ years I've been watching Oricon numbers. So, what are they doing to get an extra 8k in sales... On a Monday... that Oricon counts as actual sales?

They aren't really. It's an all-time best album from a respected group. Weekends have more people going shopping hence the boosts every weekend. This isn't that unusual for popular albums.

[Trinu]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

I've never seen this in the 9+ years I've been watching Oricon numbers.

Really? Cause Mirrorcle World comes to mind.

Oh, well. #2 it is! I was hoping she'd get #1 even if I just like one song from the album, but the tour really put me in an Ayu-mood.

[TriStar]

Originally Posted by Trinu

Really? Cause Mirrorcle World comes to mind.

Exactly. Quite a few times, Ayu's releases had this sudden increase in sales too, just to keep her record of number 1 singles/albums. This wasn't fair either.

Originally Posted by Bigtop

I still don't understand why DCT still has THAT MUCH fans compared to Ayu. What happened to Ayu's fanbase?????

In general, groups are more persistent than solo singers. Think of Arashi, EXILE, SMAP, Southern All Stars, Mr.Children, B'z ... there is no solo artist who is successful in the business for so long. In the Western world, it's the same. There are a lot of old groups still touring and releasing a number one album here and then, but no solo artists - maybe Madonna, but thats it.

It seems like it is more typical for solo singers to have a huge peak, and continuously go down afterwards. It's very hard to find a solo singer who manages to stay consistent. Even Namie, who had a second peak, is going down again with every new release.

[orbitalaspect]

Originally Posted by TriStar

Exactly. Quite a few times, Ayu's releases had this sudden increase in sales too, just to keep her record of number 1 singles/albums. This wasn't fair either.



In general, groups are more persistent than solo singers. Think of Arashi, EXILE, SMAP, Southern All Stars, Mr.Children, B'z ... there is no solo artist who is successful in the business for so long. In the Western world, it's the same. There are a lot of old groups still touring and releasing a number one album here and then, but no solo artists - maybe Madonna, but thats it.

It seems like it is more typical for solo singers to have a huge peak, and continuously go down afterwards. It's very hard to find a solo singer who manages to stay consistent. Even Namie, who had a second peak, is going down again with every new release.

Mirrorcle World didn't have a sudden jump in sales that brought it to #1 over a month after release. That's what I'm referring to. It's not uncommon for a big buy rush to occur on the last day or two of the first week.

Also, I'm very curious about why boy bands and j-rock groups are so ridiculously successful compared to solo artists? Are groups generally more interesting in Japan?

[TriStar]

I think that groups don't suffer from the image of an individual group member that much. For example, some people hate Ayu because she is a diva, have (and had) Western boyfriends, a curious marriage ... on the other side, no one would hate a group because one inidvidual member had a curious marriage etc.

It's hard to ruin the image of a group, but easy to ruin the image of a solo artist. If you just don't like one person of a group, you can still focus on the other members. If you just don't like a person who is a solo artist, ... you won't buy the music any longer.

In terms of groups, the music is in the public eye. In terms of solo artists, the music and the person is in the public eye.

[Trinu]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

Mirrorcle World didn't have a sudden jump in sales that brought it to #1 over a month after release. That's what I'm referring to. It's not uncommon for a big buy rush to occur on the last day or two of the first week.

Well, some albums do have those jumps + charting power.

It reminds me of Ayaka's First Message, which sold like 350k in its first week and went on to sell 1.2 million copies on the long run.

We keep seeing A BEST jumping in the charts (even though it's iTunes) every now and then. Why is this different?
It sucks because it's not Ayu doing the jump this time, but they do happen.

Plus, the market is way different than it was 9-10 years ago. Back then every week was a whole different battlefield. Now it's not uncommon for singles and albums to linger around at the top because it's just a matter of a couple hundred copies.

[Delicious n Bold]

Get that top 5 Ayu! Some artists would love for that to happen. A true legend tbh.

[Pieces_of_SEVEN]

^I've been thinking of Mirrorcle World reading this page also...

[Bigtop]

Ugh...DCT upsets Ayu, gets #1. (>_<)

Sorry for all the harsh words, but I think we need a slogan to continue Ayu support even if Ayu doesn't get #1:
"If it's not Ayu, then it's not Ayu"

It's unfortunate Ayu's greatest chance for #1 this year has been shot down. IN THE LAST DAY!!! Stupid Oricon!!!

You have to give congratulations to DCT though. Ayu isn't as old as DCT...that's why. But there needs to be a way so that Ayu can go back to #1! Although that door is continuing to close against her favor...

Well, dog gone it.