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You're not gonna watch the broadcasted version? ^^
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Funny how it took doing Asia tours for people to notice these things because in the past it seems that no one bootlegged her Japanese shows. I would rather hear her true voice and true emotion even if it may sound bad, rather than have it be faked and still honestly not sound THAT great anyways. Yeah, I'm like ok, why aren't we getting this kind of quality in the PVs? Why was Wateru Takeishi only hired again to do Tour of Secret's videos and then why in the PVs are we still getting stuff like Takehide Ishii? Last edited by SunshineSlayer; 26th October 2008 at 10:47 PM. |
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^That was a good last question you had there...
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And yea, I agree, I'd rather hear her live voice, too. I really prefer live singing over choreography any day. Just scrap decision, my name's WOMEN, evolution, etc. choreography and leave the show to a few (max 1-2) concert climaxes which could have been (don't) Leave me alone and Marionette. But that's just my opinion. :3 I don't know how you feel about that.. Do you think she lip synched so much in the past too, though? I got the impression that before AT05 she hardly ever lip synched (0-1 per concert). And then gradually it started getting more up to the point of 4 songs in a row now with AT08 if decision is lip synched too. Very disappointed. Like, 4 songs in a ROW? That's pretty big. But you know, maybe it's just different in Japan, and they prefer lip synching over meh-average vocals? Quote:
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I saw both her tours in 2004 and 2005 multiple times. 2004 was totally live. 2005 was too except for alterna. (I mean come on she is hanging out of a ball with a bar across her stomach most of the time) I also was at CDL 06-07 and I don't really remember suspecting any lip synching then either. So it does seem to be that she has started to do it more and more often recently. I don't know how much it has to do with the ear, but it seems like the larger factor is that her performances are just becoming more and more choreographed. But then there is the infamous case of her lip synching Theme of a-nation at CDL 05/06 - I still can't think of any good explanation for that one. Quote:
So no, I would say that Japan prefers average vocals to lip synching way more than any other country. Last edited by SunshineSlayer; 27th October 2008 at 01:50 AM. |
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I'm so tired of these lip synch comments, always made by the same two posters. Please just stop, you've made your point...
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Do you think that maybe she's insecure about her singing ability lately? I mean as many have pointed out, it's recent, around the time of her hearing loss... I think that may be the case, but since I've never been to a concert and compare her TRUE singing voice to what might be suspected as lip synced... I don't know... |
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I was at ToS, and the live concert was great, but her voice was nothing compared to the DVD. Particulary, during some parts of 1LOVE she didn't sing loud enough, and in other parts she nearly broke our eardrums!!! But it was still a great performance. Secret wasn't as clear as it was on the DVD, too.
It also depends where you sit, since I was on the left side, I'm sure the acoustics of the area and even the arena aren't top-notch. If anything, I'm finding a lot of artists using really strong backing vocals nowadays, Ayu with her faster songs, most of Namie's new stuff, Koda's, Rihanna at MTV Awards, the list goes on... And I'm kinda surprised everyone is noticing that Avex butchers the DVD....they've been doing that FOREVER for all their artists. Yes, Dome Tour, concert tour 2000, Namie's concerts, Koda's, etc etc....Remember the mic issues at Ayu's CDL 2002-2003 for WE WISH (her mic went OFF)...yeah well, Avex gave her perfect vocals. They don't edit every imperfection out, though. I can't vouch for other record companies but I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same. Last edited by JinHamasaki; 27th October 2008 at 03:24 AM. |
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And yeah,CDL 02-03 I think is the first time that it became obvious to everyone how much Avex can tinker with their dvds. Her vocals were gone for pretty much all of We Wish and then the DVD comes out and magically that song has vocals now. The only other artist whos dvds I think come close to the editing of Avex's are Gackt's dvds. I think it's definitely a part of it. The only problem is it doesn't explain the lip synching from CDL05/06 in Theme of A-Nation - I wish I could find that video on youtube or something, but I can't seem to. Last edited by SunshineSlayer; 27th October 2008 at 03:43 AM. |
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anyways, I'm pretty excited about AT2008's tracklist, I just hope the DVD comes out quicker and NOT with the backstage stuff chopped into the middle of the concert >.>, and more overseas stuff |
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I hope the DVD comes out quick too, but now that they announced they are broadcasting the show on tv, I've got no clue what they plan to do about the DVD. |
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Well, i wasn't at show so i can't say for sure, but DLMA -> Marionette is a really big part of concert, and if we had reports from those who was at both HK shows saying that her voice was better in second day, i think they mentioned difference in her voice in this big part of concert too. Also we have reports from japanese leg that show wasn't lypsynched. Anyway it's just a question - could you belive that she did it with so much choreography? In fact i can't hear many from her singing Marionette in HK show because crowd and music was too loud(( So i prefe thinkin that Ayu is live singer. Maybe if I would be there.... But for that reason... i don't see a problem why acapellas aren't lypsynched. That one from Shanghai concert sounded pretty similar to japanese one they just added background music and verse that we don't have from japanese concert. This information about lypsynching isn't really confirmed, some saying that it was, some - that not. But belive me, i was at concert here in my country that was lypsynched. And you can easily see that it is lypsynching when somebody also doing a choreography with it. From all videos i saw Ayu sounded live to me(but i reallly want to see dlma which sounded live from Japanese news clip). Just 1 thing that scares me is Ayu began to use her voice as a background, we heard this in A-Nation Greatful Days. Even if it was easy to hear where was Ayu and where was recording. When she uses recording of her voice in chorus for example instead of Peco and Princess, she would sound great, but everybody would say - c'mon, that was lypsynching! PS What's wrong with Theme of A-nation on CDL05/06??? Last edited by Ayumi_lover; 27th October 2008 at 05:58 AM. |
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Damn im slow...but MW IS WOW! very very gd...
whether or not Marionette, mnW and d-lma are lipped...i still have to applaud her for that performance in each wan...because they are truly gd..and well-done (esp Marionette...that puppet thing is really cool).. But really, did she lip-synched all the way??? there's probably some LIVE backing track playing as well with her voice... Dearest sounded really hard for her ...O.O but yea...expected...still it sounded more powerful with her present vocals.. and the recording thru a fone is really bad anyway...we always get the wrong perception of the real feel...it made her voice more..harsh Voyage was nice though hahaa Fly High was great too! i like her new vocals for this song..the chorus was brilliant and i already commented on d-lma somewhere else...it was very gd.. seriously the shanghai people practically recorded the whole thing o.o LOL Last edited by freedreamer; 27th October 2008 at 06:14 AM. |
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Ayumi Lover: It seems like you are trying to find any evidence or reason to point to her not lip syncing. (even saying that Greatful Days at A-nation was only doubling) Most fans, no matter what they hear in concert will report that she didn't lip sync simply because they want to believe that she didn't - I don't fault anyone for that because it is just human nature. Very few people can actually look at their favorite artist objectively when it comes to subjects such as this. I mean just look at hard core Britney Spears fans to this day that deny her lip syncing. But when you have video evidence of her sounding exactly the same on different dates, it's almost impossible to dispel.
The CDL 05/06 thing was during the live tv broadcast of the show, Ayumi was performing Theme of A-Nation. At a certain part, the camera was on her face and she pretty clearly mouths the wrong word, but a completely different sound came out. For the DVD release of the concert Avex used a different camera so that you can't see the mistake. |
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Well, i don't mind if she lypsynched some songs. I also don't mind if TV perfomances are lypsynched, but i'm totally addicted to LIVE sound so if it is live concert it must be live. For that reason i don't realy like Avex's edited DVD's - they often doesn't looks live, i can give you many examples. but question isn't that. Problem isn't in that i'm a fan that killing everybody who would say Ayu lypsynched. I think problem in you, maybe you tire from Ayu? or just won't to see her growing. I would show you example Quote:
And on the other hands your words 2 years ago: http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showpo...7&postcount=26 Quote:
And yeah, i was fan of sime band which was live-only, but after they made a serie of fully lyp-synched shows i stopped to listen to them, but i still adore their live shows PS don't mind answering to this if you won't Last edited by Ayumi_lover; 27th October 2008 at 06:43 AM. |
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oh well you saw this show once. and you changed your mind about it so many times... well you just don't mind that memory isn't 100% reliable thing in this case, so...
this interesting. also, for you, i'm not saying Ayu NEVER EVER yp synched. She did. But i prefer to think that not on live tours! just because it is live, and if you're saying that she lypsynched it's same as she is cheating and not sincere. And I think you're not right. She's growing. Copmpare AT06 and AT08!! She's really growing in choreography, shows, and i like her vocal even more nowdays |
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And at no time have I ever said that she is cheating and not sincere. Once again, I can't really follow you. |
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Nice to hear AT06 except alterna was live. I can understand why they did make alterna live lol. And Marionette, with all the weird moves. But theme of a-nation? LOL XD Quote:
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^^ Which would you prefer sunshine? Last edited by Melrose; 27th October 2008 at 11:44 AM. |
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I would never EVER say that she is a perfectionist about her voice, because then she would never have gone on tour in 2000.
omg the A Song for XX in that concert was so horrible... >_< actually, her whole voice. ahaha. I just really don't get the point of her lip syncing. We have all heard her at her worst moments.. And it doesn't fool anyone if she has a super good vocal for one song, then back to her normal singing the other rest of concert. I'm not looking at it as "omg how unpure." I'm saying.. there is just no point because, I mean take for example dearest. That's a song I WISHED she lipsynced... But she didn't. If she is lipsyncing Marionette, she needs to find a new recording. I thought Marionette vocals really sucked big time. -_-); People keep saying "She sounds the same all the time for this this and this song." Do you WANT her to sound different? I'm not sure... But the songs from Guilty are not that hard to sing, especially Marionette. So I think it's pretty easy for her to sound the same everytime she sings it. don't leave me alone, whatever. I don't like that song, so she can lipsync it forever~ ahaha I think she recorded herself so she can be on the spinny thingi, and have a good time? I think at least she should update her lipsyncing tracks. She sings better now than the beginning of her tour. ... Except for Dearest. T_T) Last edited by maikaru; 27th October 2008 at 12:05 PM. |
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