why "Maria"? - Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai
Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai
· Ayu's Official Site · Ayu's twitter · Ayu's YouTube · masa's translations · Misa-chan's translations ·


Go Back   Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai > Ayumi Hamasaki Forums > Enquiries

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 26th January 2004, 06:44 AM
M_aria's Avatar
M_aria M_aria is offline
End roll Initiate
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Yuma, AZ
Posts: 770
why "Maria"?

For a brief moment I was going to say that I've heard the name "Maria" in a lot of J-pop songs, but now only two come to mind (Ayu & hitomi). Anyways, is there some religious aspect to these songs? I've read translations for both of them and "M" sounds like it has a bit more spiritual influence in comparison to hitomi's "Maria", does Ayu refer to the Virgin Mary in "M"? Cause, in a way, it sounds like she's praying. Also, is Maria a popular name in Japan? I swear i've heard it in some other songs, I just can't remember who...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 26th January 2004, 08:19 AM
kournikova's Avatar
kournikova kournikova is offline
CAROLS Initiate
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Surabaya
Posts: 6,159
yep that song is for virgin mary ^^ i often sing it before i pray
__________________
-=|wishing star|=-
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 26th January 2004, 08:56 AM
Aga-chan's Avatar
Aga-chan Aga-chan is offline
I am... Initiate
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Among cherry trees
Posts: 2,327
Yeah, some J-Artists have songs entitled or with references to "Maria".
Gackt-san has one, too. And LUNA SEA have a song called "VIRGIN MARY".
__________________

「浜崎あゆみ」であること
”歌う”ということ
それは”生きる”ということ

SCawaii May 2008


矛盾だらけの こんな私でも
許されますか 教えてよ

浜崎あゆみ 「I am...」

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15th February 2004, 09:31 AM
starr5245's Avatar
starr5245 starr5245 is offline
WE WISH Initiate
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,125
so cool and so nice!!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15th February 2004, 11:39 AM
Chrono's Avatar
Chrono Chrono is offline
SURREAL Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 1,602
it's weird, isn't it. i doubt the people are christian.. somehwo they just like maria
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15th February 2004, 11:41 AM
sxesven's Avatar
sxesven sxesven is offline
my name's WOMEN Initiate
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 6,526
It has been rumoured a lot though that Ayu is a christian. I dunno, I'm guessing she isn't but I can't be 100% sure.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 15th February 2004, 12:54 PM
Chrono's Avatar
Chrono Chrono is offline
SURREAL Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 1,602
well... she's always wearing those crosses... i can't really picture you doing that ^^. at least i wouldn't... but maybe if the record company demands...

aargh... it's... so......... confusing!!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 15th February 2004, 12:55 PM
sxesven's Avatar
sxesven sxesven is offline
my name's WOMEN Initiate
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 6,526
She flirts with all kind of religions, not just being a christian.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15th February 2004, 01:00 PM
Chrono's Avatar
Chrono Chrono is offline
SURREAL Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 1,602
all kinds? which other? i never saw her with anything else than a cross....
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15th February 2004, 01:00 PM
sxesven's Avatar
sxesven sxesven is offline
my name's WOMEN Initiate
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 6,526
Buddhism and such.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 15th February 2004, 01:05 PM
Chrono's Avatar
Chrono Chrono is offline
SURREAL Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 1,602
well, i don't really hear songs about some buddism people.. only maria... isn't weird...

what a coincidence.... maria just starts playing here on my winamp shuffle mode ^^
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 15th February 2004, 01:06 PM
Shiso's Avatar
Shiso Shiso is offline
ayu-ro mix 2 Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Poland
Posts: 1,989
The www.ayu-mi-x.com 's database says that Ayu's 'M' isn't a song about the 'Virgin Mary'

From the site:

Ayu wrote this song after reading the story of Mary Magdaline. For those of you unfamiliar, Mary Magdaline is NOT the mother of Jesus (as according to the christian bible) - thats another Mary - but rather a reformed prostitute and friend to Jesus and Mary (Jesus' mother). The story of heartbreak and seperated lovers im 'M' was drawn from Mary Magdaline's story.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 15th February 2004, 01:08 PM
sxesven's Avatar
sxesven sxesven is offline
my name's WOMEN Initiate
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 6,526
I wasnt talking bout songs, Chrono, but about image. Uraayu book.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 15th February 2004, 01:10 PM
Chrono's Avatar
Chrono Chrono is offline
SURREAL Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 1,602
aha

now the lyrics make more sense i think
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 15th February 2004, 02:11 PM
ricekid's Avatar
ricekid ricekid is offline
YOU Initiate
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Behind the glasses.
Posts: 130
Quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
aha

now the lyrics make more sense i think
yea, the virgin mary and love didn't quite connect...

I highly doubt ayu is anything other than christian. she always wears crosses, she did that whole thing on joan of arc (though joan of arc can be seen as a feminist figure rather than a christian one) and, of course, M.

if she does do buddhist thing (none of which I'm aware of) it's simply cultural.
__________________
発売中ーナウ・オン・セール

[yeah, I really don't know what's up with my signature...can't get rid of the white space]
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 15th February 2004, 05:15 PM
jerms's Avatar
jerms jerms is offline
No way to say Initiate
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Tied to Ayu's Bed
Posts: 5,255
shiso's right, but it wouldnt be that odd if it was the ohter mary
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 15th February 2004, 05:27 PM
Shiso's Avatar
Shiso Shiso is offline
ayu-ro mix 2 Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Poland
Posts: 1,989
Quote:
Originally posted by ricekid
I highly doubt ayu is anything other than christian. she always wears crosses, she did that whole thing on joan of arc (though joan of arc can be seen as a feminist figure rather than a christian one) and, of course, M.
The cross thing isn't necessary a sign she's christian! Crosses are really popular in Japan even though some Japanese don't know what they represent... the topic "is Ayu a Christian?" is an often topic here... there aren't any proofs that she's a Christian or not... and about the crosses - I wear a cross too... on a lace, but I'm an atheist...
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 15th February 2004, 05:29 PM
Chrono's Avatar
Chrono Chrono is offline
SURREAL Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 1,602
but the music video made it very confusing.. with the church and stuff..

the option 'different mary' didn't even pop up here
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 15th February 2004, 05:36 PM
ImpactBreaker's Avatar
ImpactBreaker ImpactBreaker is offline
The Judgement Day Guardian

 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Brazil
Posts: 15,807
Quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
but the music video made it very confusing.. with the church and stuff..

the option 'different mary' didn't even pop up here
I still think Ayu is representing Virgin Mary and not Mary Magdaline.

Reasons:

-Virgin Mary is much more well known worldwide, even for people from different religions. While Mary Magdaline, some christians don't even know about her so how would ayumi talk know about her like that?

-In the PV Ayu is in a wedding dress...ok so what does it matter? well the dress is WHITE! A girl who marries in white represents that she is VIRGIN. Thus Ayu is representing Virgin Mary (Nalso notice that she isn't marrying of course because she has no pair. The wedding dress was just a way to show Ayu is representing a virgin). And Magdaline was anything but virgin lol

-Ayu is praying in the PV. Most obviously to Virgin Mary and not for Mary Magdaline I've never seem someone praying for Mary Magdaline.
__________________

♬♪aijou de nuritsubushite
owaranai Spiral nukedasenai
mazari au mayoi sae irodukete so high
kaeshitakunai
Rise in a spiral yeah
I go insane
Dive to your paradise
(Treat me like a fool)♬♪

Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 15th February 2004, 05:38 PM
hanabiwings's Avatar
hanabiwings hanabiwings is offline
End roll Initiate
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: I'd rather be in Yokohama
Posts: 759
Hmm... I dunno. It makes sense that it was a story about Mary Magdaline that got her thinking along these lines, but it's not possible that she was praying to such a person. She's praying to the Virgin Mary in the song, known in Japanese Catholicism as "Maria" just as in Spanish and Portugese culture.

In my experience, the Virgin Mary is seen in Japan by non-Catholics and perhaps some Catholics as a deity of mercy. Popular culture associates her with love, though this is likely not the intention of any Japanese Catholic. I remember reading an article about Ayu's thoughts on the song and said something like she had regarded Mary as some holy person but then understood that she was a person as well.

Okui Masami sang a song called Maria some years ago on her album Her-Day and it mentioned "cross" and "love" as concepts along with a song-prayer to the Virgin Mary. Ayu's seems very much in line with this song as well. I think that she is seen as a deity of mercy by people in love. I could be wrong, but in my experience, this is the feeling I get.

The translators at Centigrade-J (http://centigrade.blandplanet.com/) said this on the song in their translation notes:

MARIA is the Christian Religion Holy Mother of Christ. The whole song is a prayer to MARIA to help Ayu find everlasting love in a world where that doesn't seem possible.
__________________
The sky I lifted my eyes to see was beautiful
My thoughts were of you
If I could face forward strongly, like you would
And I could walk that way...
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.