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Old Yesterday, 04:48 PM
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Being interested in her career and what she has to say about it isn't being entitled. It's being invested. I'm not mad at her for doing x and y, I'm not going on angry Twitter rants, nor do I think she owes us new music. I stated the only thing I would like is to hear from the woman herself because it's such a difference in work ethic and focus for a longer period of time now.

I'm honestly not surprised if people are put off discussing things here if they get people saying "but she's not your friend" and "you're being entitled" for saying you hope for a statement at some point Ayu is definitely an artist and a celebrity and this is my reaction as a fan to this news, in the thread meant to be discussing the news.

You're right that her actions say she wants to tour. I'll keep hoping that an interview or social media post will mention why she wants to extend the TROUBLE tour even longer. I guess we'll agree to disagree on if that shows interest or entitlement.
^ Agree.

And my personal opinion on the reason for another tour is two-fold; she genuinely enjoys touring, and money. Her fanbase has downsized significantly, but I don't think she accordingly has downsized her lifestyle and the number of people she keeps on staff hence non-stop touring to keep the jobs of all of those people going in the same manner. Just my take.

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I'm honestly not surprised if people are put off discussing things here if they get people saying "but she's not your friend" and "you're being entitled" for saying you hope for a statement at some point
It's also super off putting to be generally downplayed as "It's just Ayu defense squad" when people dare to have an opinion that isn't always negative
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It's also super off putting to be generally downplayed as "It's just Ayu defense squad" when people dare to have an opinion that isn't always negative
Not that I said that, but I feel that comment is more towards people attacking other members for questioning or discussing recent news, and not about those who are being positive in general. Can't speak for everyone though.
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Not that I said that, but I feel that comment is more towards people attacking other members for questioning or discussing recent news, and not about those who are being positive in general. Can't speak for everyone though.
No, you didn't, but I often note that when people disagree with negativity and criticism towards Ayu, this is the sort of dismissive attitude towards them, as if you're wrong unless you agree with the criticism, negative opinions, et cetera even if you don't attack anyone for their opinion/criticism.
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Being interested in her career and what she has to say about it isn't being entitled. It's being invested. I'm not mad at her for doing x and y, I'm not going on angry Twitter rants, nor do I think she owes us new music. I stated the only thing I would like is to hear from the woman herself because it's such a difference in work ethic and focus for a longer period of time now.

I'm honestly not surprised if people are put off discussing things here if they get people saying "but she's not your friend" and "you're being entitled" for saying you hope for a statement at some point Ayu is definitely an artist and a celebrity and this is my reaction as a fan to this news, in the thread meant to be discussing the news.

You're right that her actions say she wants to tour. I'll keep hoping that an interview or social media post will mention why she wants to extend the TROUBLE tour even longer. I guess we'll agree to disagree on if that shows interest or entitlement.
We can agree to desagree then

I don't have any problems with people disliking her career moves or releases, it's not of my business, really. What annoys me it's voiced sometimes like, "feels like she is already retired/She's lazy/She doesn'tcare/Whoever likes this is lying to themselves or are bad fans" etc.

And yeah, I have read it all around here, even people saying who liked some disliked releases where haters disguised to sabotage Ayu's career by making her releasing bad stuff (?!). So it's not really a walk on the park either liking her stuff or trying to understand where something came from before bashing.
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No, you didn't, but I often note that when people disagree with negativity and criticism towards Ayu, this is the sort of dismissive attitude towards them, as if you're wrong unless you agree with the criticism, negative opinions, et cetera even if you don't attack anyone for their opinion/criticism.
Generally I find there's a few people who will be like that on both sides of the discussion. Sad as it is. If you feel someone's being too personal though, please report them.

@Andrenekoi Yeah, extremes are in both "camps" so to speak. I only ask if people want to actively respond, that they don't get too jaded by what they have read in the past. It can be hurtful to those jumping in for the first time to be called entitled, or in denial, and of course this goes for everyone... A lot of these discussions have been going on a long time now, so I do keep in mind that people are frustrated and tired of the same old comments.
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I agree with those who think she has nothing to say at the moment.
Creative block is a thing and it's better for her to not push out rushed lyrics/music with little to no deeper meaning which she has done before and disappointed a lot of people. I also agree that touring is where she makes the most money which helps her be able to live how she wants.

I'm concerned about how unhealthy this touring is for her physically, and I feel like it's just a matter of time before her body forces her to rest by collapsing on stage, or her not being able to hear anything anymore. Sorry, that does sound really depressing and negative but how much more can she do? This has to be taking a toll on not just her mind but her body..
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Also it's confusing that people say she should stop making music and take a break like Utada, but then also at the same time saying she isn't making enough music (while the last album, mini or not, isn't even a year old): she simply cannot please all her fans at the same time.
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Complaining she isn't explaining her decisions to us is entitlement. She doesn't owe us explanations about her though process or creative imputs or release schedule.
Exactly this. Maybe sheís enjoying touring and we donít have to like it but we canít demand any explanations for her every action.

No one is saying that we canít discuss things, no one is saying that we have to like every thing that she does.
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No, you didn't, but I often note that when people disagree with negativity and criticism towards Ayu, this is the sort of dismissive attitude towards them, as if you're wrong unless you agree with the criticism, negative opinions, et cetera even if you don't attack anyone for their opinion/criticism.
I guess I would just second what Koumori said here. It's not directed at those who simply like and support Ayu's new tour. It's the moralising and attacks I take issue with. I hope everyone that attends enjoys it. Despite my opposition, I still hope the tour is a good one. Positive reactions to Ayu don't ever bother me. Different opinions keep things alive and interesting. Everyone is free to like and dislike things. I don't like this decision to tour again but I still wish Ayu the best on the tour.
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I was reading online that they announced an album? Trouble -A18-

Is this real?
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I was reading online that they announced an album? Trouble -A18-

Is this real?
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^ Agree.

And my personal opinion on the reason for another tour is two-fold; she genuinely enjoys touring, and money. Her fanbase has downsized significantly, but I don't think she accordingly has downsized her lifestyle and the number of people she keeps on staff hence non-stop touring to keep the jobs of all of those people going in the same manner. Just my take.
This is a very valid and logical point.
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