[Charts & Rankings] The Official BILLBOARD thread of "You were..." / "BALLAD"

[Paparazzi]

I noticed we have reccochoku thread, and Oricon thread, but no billboard thread.

Anyway, on the week ending 1/4/10, "You were..." debuted on the BILLBOARD CHARTS

WEEK 1
Hot 100: #63
Hot 100 (Airplay): #58

sources | billboard japan

[jbrat2219]

Significant difference from Oricon and Recochaku...

[Paparazzi]

because her sales week hadn't begun yet by the time the last week began. (well, it wasn't counted at that point). So right now it's charting ONLY on airplay. net week, when sales are included, it will shoot up the chart, likely to #1 or #2. I just wish they'd include digital sales huh ...

PAST SINGLES PEAKS:

Mirrocle World: #2
Days: #1
Rule: #1
NEXT LEVEL: #89
Sunrise: #2

[elekons]

I thought it would go up in the top TnT

[zyoeru]

I don't understand Billboard, if it doesn't include digital sales, what's its purpose?

[polka-dot-jewel]

Hot100 is digital sales, which Hot 100 (Airplay) is radio airplay... I think. That's how the US one runs, anyway.

These don't include physical sales, and of course these are low because of the New Years holiday.

She'll probably place higher next week. She's usually #1 or #2 after a new release.

[Paparazzi]

In America, the Hot 100 has many compnents actually. Airplay, Physical Sales, Digital Sales, Streaming.

Japanese Hot 100 only has two: Physical Sales and Airplay. I'm hoping they start to include digital sales ...... >.< it'd make the charts more accurate

[Max_ZZZ]

i swear if billboard becomes the most accurate chart, every record thus far will have accounted for nothing. i wish they would just collaborate and compile a completely accurate chart up to this point '-___-

[Paparazzi]

well if Oricon would become a little more proactive, we'd never have to change from an "Oricon" era to a "Billboard" era but, Oricon really isn't doing much. I guess they figure nobody will leave them.

Like how myspace kept sucking, and they figured it wouldn't ter, but then everyone went to facebook ...

[Minttulatte]

The billboard charts are more interesting imo.

[zyoeru]

Originally Posted by Paparazzi

well if Oricon would become a little more proactive, we'd never have to change from an "Oricon" era to a "Billboard" era but, Oricon really isn't doing much. I guess they figure nobody will leave them.

The majority haven't changed from a "Oricon" era to a "Billboard" era.

[ayumisrael]

In Japan, there isn't any reason to pass to billboard.
The contrary, 99% of the people in Japan trust oricon and it has the highest reputation among those sites.
Oricon is also known as the most accurate since it counts most stores in Japan.
The only thing oricon doesn't do is counting digital sales, but then I'm not sure if the billboard is really accurate too (since even RIAJ or companies and recochoku would be more reliable for how a song did digitally). That's why I think the Japanese won't shift into Billboard, for them (and for me) oricon is a way better indicator and more accurate. For digital sales, recochoku and RIAJ are the best methods I would say. That's why the combo of oricon, RIAJ and recochoku own billboard each. =P
Therefore they see no reason to shift into billboard, and imo they are right.
The popularity giver indicator probably will always be oricon (until physical sales are dead for good anyway) and recochoku and RIAJ since they are the most accurate and they count most/all of the things. It's just that each one does something different.
Oricon - physical sales
recochoku - overall digital songs and PVs ranking according to digital sales from most websites.
RIAJ - Certificating a CD and a song if it passed a mark (like gold, platinum, million).

[njanjayrp]

I don't really see a point of Billboard in Japan either, but then again I never saw a point of Microsoft releasing XBOX which was using the components you can find in an average PC xD

[Paparazzi]

I'm saying, Billboard could EASILY be the best, if it tried. It seems to be making a bigger effort than Oricon, though, who's doing absolutely nothing.

It's almost pathetic how amazing ridiculously uncaring Japanese charts are towards being proavtively accurate.

It's sad.

[rakeru]

But where ARE charts accurate? Here in the US, all common sale-tracking methods are corrupt and/or misleading.

[Crystal_Ageha]

Yeah, US charts can definitely be misleading and are sometimes exaggerated. Japanese charts don't factor in enough information and are set up kinda odd. I only know a little about other charts, but not enough to say anything about them.... But I'm sure they also have a decent amount of flaws. It sucks, but that's how it is, I guess. Honestly, if ORICON starts to count digital sales, I think they'd easily be my favourite chart. But, in their defence, it's hard--make that impossible, to have a perfect chart, or to always have it consistent, even.

[Paparazzi]

yes, it's imposssible to have a perfect chart.

But honestly, I don't think that the American charts or corrupt or misleading at all.

[jbrat2219]

Physical sales are not that dead in Japan yet. They still have first press releases and goodies for albums as well as singles. There's no need to factor in digital sales with physical sales yet. All three of the Japanese charts do their job as best as they can. Billboard isn't going to offer anything new besides airplay.

[Paparazzi]

^ um.. Physical Sales ARE dead.


Digital sales DESTROY physical sales.

Thelma's Soba ni Iru ne sold what, 600,000-700,000 copies, which is a ridiculous amount by today's standards. With Digital sales, it sold over 8,000,000 ringtones and fullsongs.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Paparazzi

^ um.. Physical Sales ARE dead.


Digital sales DESTROY physical sales.

Thelma's Soba ni Iru ne sold what, 600,000-700,000 copies, which is a ridiculous amount by today's standards. With Digital sales, it sold over 8,000,000 ringtones and fullsongs.

If they were that dead, boy bands wouldn't be selling them like crazy still. Nobody would be selling them. Yeah, digital sales are more alive than physical. But that doesn't mean major artists are struggling to sell a copy of their single. It's not like in the U.S. were physical singles are pretty much non-existent. I still have yet to see one in a store to be honest.