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Kuu vs Ayu vs Ai
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It's interesting how Avex has the three top female artists right now. But when I actually looked at the original album sales figures of the three, I was shocked to see the statistics. See below. Kuu Albums = 5 Sales = 1926800 (1.92 million) Average = 385360 (385 k) Note that BEST ~second session~ sold 1,782,437, which is not included above. (Though you could consider it as an "original album" since I think the tracks are mutually exclusive to her other albums) Ayu Albums = 9 (including Memorial Address) Sales = 14782484 (14.8 million) Average = 1642498 (1.64 million) Ai Albums = 3 Sales = 2186618 (2.19 million) Average = 728873 (729 k) * * * Boa (if anyone was interested) - Considering only original Japanese album sales in Japan Albums = 5 Sales = 3599251 (3.60 million) Average = 719850 (720 k ) Hikaru Utada (wow...9X Kuu) Albums = 5 (Including Exodus, not including Star) Sales = 17694525 (17.7 million) Average = 3538905 (3.53 million) Namie Albums = 6 (Excluding Super Monkey's and Suite Chic) Sales = 7124014 (7.12 million) Average = 1187336 (1.19 million) * * * I was surprised to see that Kuu's original album sales are even lower than Ai's. Quote:
Highest Selling Singles: 4 hot wave = 390,685 A = 1,630,540 Sakuranbo = 527,674 + 61,283 (re-release) |
Ai?
Ai Otsuka or Ai the rapper/hip hop chick? lol :D |
I don't think this thread is a good idea =)
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^ Exactly.
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Utada pwns all btw, let the flame wars begin :bringit |
Oh, and while we're at it, BoA's studio albums have sold more than Ai's and Kuu's.
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in the future Kuu's average will surely ascend and Ayu's will descend and for Ai i'm not sure :)
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I don't really see a point in counting the average sales per album.
anyways , when it comes to the "pecking order" in Avex Kuu is definitely above Ai. I might have more consistency in her single sales , but she hasn't reached massive sales like some succesful Kuu singles like Koi No Tsubomi & Yume no Yuta /Futari De. regardless of the average album sales , Ai doesn't come close to the success of Kuu's both BEST albums (which account for like 70% of Kuu's total album sales :P ). imo , Ayu's been so much longer in the business there's no point comparing her sales to Kuu's or Ai's. also , whats the source for these sales numbers? they seem a bit low for especially Kuu (secret sales are in the 500 000 , the BEST's both sold over 1,5 million each , Black Cherry is at least 900 000. I think even if you leave out the first BEST and count only the original albums Kuu's sales should be close to 3 million ...) |
Kuu is just breats lol. sex sells no one deny that lol.
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Meh, bad idea. lol
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Go Ai!!
If memory serves me correctly LOVE JAM/PUNCH/COOK were all pretty decent sellers, while Kuu's earlier stuff sold about 3 copies. I'm not bashing Kuu, i like her, but i think that on original albums Ai would have sold more since looking at the big picture, Kuu's majority of sales have stemmed from her best's. |
Halla, I think you left out Sakuranbo. :< lol
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Hmmmn... they're just numbers. They can't really reflect how popular the artists at this moment. I gotta be objective on kuu. The physical sales have been declining, so fluctuation adjustment is one of the key factors. Let's use Black Cherry as an example. It has been sold over 9XXK copies so far. If this was released back in 2000 or so the numbers would be different (comparing someone who had similar popularity in 2000 to kuu). It might have sold around 1.5 - 2 million copies at least. That was same to kuu's first two best albums. I would say each would get around 3 million copies if they released in 2000.
Of course, if we pushed ayu's A BEST or her best selling album "Duty" back to 1995 - 2000 or so, the number of copies would be altered as well. The "real" numbers only reflect how well a really popular artist's album is gonna sell during that particular era. And yeah... if comparing kuu or ai having a successful single... I think one Sakuranbo can beat koi no tsubomi + Yume no uta. I really think those two kuu singles are just the selling ones... I still consider Butterfly as her most successful song in terms of popularity :P. |
Ohh, I love flame wars, Ayu pwns every Japanese artist, there is no denying that, and if you do then your just completely deluded.
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Anyways, of course Ayu's average is much higher, she peaked at a different period than kuu and ai. |
you must really love math...
this thread = no point or maybe i'm missing it? Anyone? Help? |
i like Ai and Ayu only.. good to hear tis
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Anyways...looking at how Ku's third BEST and BUT/aisho is doing...she's reached her peak already from the 2 BESTs and is going down...
I wonder how Ai's BEST next week will do =T... |
Ai's voice is superb irritating , Koda Kumi's dont really like her voice but her songs are nice. Ayumi, need I have to say?
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This thread is not a good idea...Ayu - Kuu - Ai - popularity in my opinion - love all three!! ^^
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It's reasonable for the statistics to be reflected as thus. Ayu reached her peak at the "A" and LOVEppears era, so her sales would definitely be high, and it was also rumored that she wanted to quit from the singing arena right?
Ai is cute!! I mean,her sakuranbo is really popular and widely publicized, so it's bound to have high sales.. Anyway, isn't kuu like, popular only in recent years? I would think they also added those albums that not performed so well (as in those in her debut year),so it affected the overall stats? |
i love all three :D
but well...if this would b the palcings... 1. Ayu 2. Kumi 3. Ai :D |
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Yeah. Her album to sales ratio is not too good. :\ Her no.1 [as is Ai's] ratio from singles -> no.1s is also terrible.. Ayu has so many compared to the two of them.. I don't think they'll be able to compete even in the future.. D: |
Ayu is the best ... She sings with meaning and emotion ~~ BEST
Ai is next ... she sings to make people happy; she is so silly! Kuu .. well, not to be mean, but she pisses me off ~~ her songs have no meaning. as someone said. She is jsut breasts. Sex sells ~~ |
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I think her sales will decline a lot more until her next album ... Sex only sells for a short time, kids, remember that. Nobody wants to see the same cooch and nipple every night. Honestly, the only people who will care about Kuu are the girls who wanna be a w*ore like her, the guys will give two shi*s less ... ~~ Just Giving my opinion ~~ |
oh god I have a bad feeling about this thread...
I disagree ayu reached her peak during A and LOVEppears era...its later than that...I say about A BEST/ i am... era |
I wouldnt say I am ... i would say Duty/A BEST era. Well, everything peaked at different times.
Album Sales Peak = A BEST / Duty Era Singles Sales Peak = LOVEppears Era Then im sure there are lots of other peaks, like Concert Peak, which i *think* was around A STADIUM TOUR 2002 ... RAINBOW Era? |
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No... I was very good at it, but it's not a particular hobby =) In this thread, I've just posted some statistics without mentioning what my intention was and with almost no commentary or conclusion... It's seemingly pointless, but it's not. It reveals people's opinions on the following: 1) If people think that album sales (and sales in general) are a good indication of a singer's popularity / success 2) Which singer(s) a person supports and why. 3) Which of the 3 singers (if any) do people think will dominate in the future. 4) Lastly, it shows that people's impressions are not always correct. As I said, I myself was surprised that Ai has higher original album sales and the higher selling single than Kuu. Quote:
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I'm not a moderator, but please do not attack others personally. It's just childish and wrong :no So by this you're degrading all those Koda Kumi fans out there - fans of Koda Kumi do not necessarily want to be/or is a prostitute or gigolo. That was rude and unasked for. This thread = WTH?! Every artist is unique in their different ways so there is simply no point in comparing them. |
I thought Ayu's sales-prime was more during the I am.. singles..
She had extremely high sales of both M and evolution.. |
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Opinions are good, but come on... That was a bit harsh. |
It's pretty funny, Kuu is not even having a gradual decline like Ayu.
With Kuu, she just arrived on top completely out of no where and now she's fallen rock bottom quicker than you can say *****. I remember when I first joined this forum, I got into an argument with 929 when I said that I predicted Kuu would fall half way through this year cause people are quickly becoming sick of her sex sells gimmicks, I was'nt far off!!!! |
^^ Yeah, I'm not too sure how Kuu got all the attention all of the sudden. I mean... "secret" wasn't a huge hit. Her few singles after that did normal, nothing impressive. Just like her first best-of. Then the whole 12 singles scheme popped out of nowhere. It couldn't been the 12 singles because avex had to make sure it would sale... so that means something happen before that that made her very popular all of the sudden... Oh... And the second best did extremely well. Confusing, lol.
----------- Well, let's see... Ayu was really popular since the beginning. No wonder her sales and average is high. Though, she's declining right now. In the other hand, Kuu wasn't popular AT ALL when she started. She gradually sold more and suddendly was the hit girl. So yeah, it's normal that her sales and average are low. As for BoA, she was pretty well liked when she started. Her sales sort of declined like Ayu though. Ai has, to me, always been very consistant over the years. But she's relatively new, she only released 3 albums. I'm sure her sales are going to go up and up over the years to come. |
^ yep! I'm rooting for Ai Otsuka! She has the talent for cuteness!!
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Ayu is always my favorite, her songs are all great!! always great!
Ai, i only know 1 song from her. Planetarium. and its very good very very good song. Koda, i like her. my favorite song from her is Get Up & Move!! for now, but she's kinda w***e like.. but her some of her songs are good.. some.. |
I'm not being mean about Koda ~~ I'm being thruthfull. And I didn't say her fans now want to be like her... I said, in the end, its just gonig to be the girls that want to be 'sexy' like her.
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ooo u got balls to put this thread up! LOL!!!
hmmm ayu wins because: deep lyrics, emotion, great stage presence, genuine and "normal". she's a great role model and an inspiration XD the rest only just have bits and pieces of those qualities. as max matsuura said, there can never be another great artist like ayu. i like utada second b/c of her uniqueness... then ai for being the happy cutie pie who cheers me up all the time... ^__^ kuu is... iono. it's off and on. she's becoming immaturely skanky. makes me wanna puke at times... and at other times, i like her again for her songs like "i'll be there" and "wind". and for boa? typical. nothing fascinating about her. there's so many artists like her, rising and coming. songs nowadays all have the same scenario just written in different ways. it's rather terribly boring. i thought i should stay neutral and just say i love them all, but i wanted to dip my toe into the water a bit deeper, hehehehe. |
I think it's pointless to compare the three of them as their styles are all different. And it's just numbers, doesn't judge their popularity. Three of them are popular in their own ways.
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And singing the theme song of ff does helps abit > then a+nation duet with BoA and finally cutie honey I think this song helps her alot cos I really like this song of her and it's her 1st song I've liked so much. Until she regain to show more of her body makes me :headache Ayu wasnt really that popular in de beginning. Her singles dont hit no. 1 hit since de start. Can only say her results were like Ai during her 1st album period. Single "A" sold well mainly I think it's bcos of the 'rainbow' disc variation and the song trauma. and of cos her rumor of last single to be released. |
Those sales can't be right.
Kuu Albums = 5 Sales = 1926800 (1.92 million) Average = 385360 (385 k) That's like, the sales amount for just Best ~first things~ |
The BESTS arent included, and even a Kuu hater like me knows before that her sales blew BAD.
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z0mg where are you from PA? I used to live in PA!
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Wasn't "secret" technically the beginning of her "erokakkoi" look? D:
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^I believe it was with 'COME WITH ME' (and that single did poorly).
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^ Yeah but that was her first single with that image. Her following singles would be more successful.
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Kumi's a talented artist in her own right. I don't understand why people attack her for being a bit ****ty, I respect her for being herself in a society that looks down on her actions
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You forgot Namie ^^
9 Album (Exclused Original Tracks Vol.1 'cause it has unknown sales and her suite chic albums): 11,169,484 Singles: About 14,382,626 milion with 31 singles (and her CAN YOU CELEBRATE? single is this the most sold female single in Japan) and 15,587,269 with the total sales of 31 singles + 4 singles of SUPERMONKEYS of 7 (the sales of the other 3 singles is unknown) |
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What are the best selling singles ever? I've seen the album list and the artist list, but what about singles? |
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to answer your topics here... One, sales are not the best indicator of popularity. I mean, of course the general idea would be that, if sales are good, you're more popular, which you know, thats true, but....i mean, only to a certain extent. There's just too many factors in sales though, like the economy and the market, and what everyone should be thinking about now, is that CDs are kinda going out of fashion. I think the only reason why they are still here is that its the only like, universal method of media we have, and even that is dwindling with the availability of downloads. Two...If it were up to me, I'd support ayu and kuu, only because I don't listen to ai, just never got into her stuff. I do support Ayu, I havent bought anything of kuu's yet...I don't really have munny for all those best albums...I'll probab ly buy them one day though, even the really old ones if I can find them. hmm...i really don't know who will dominate in the future. I really can't see Ai anywhere in the picture. I think Ayu will stay Ayu and be strong for some years. Kuu... I feel like Kuu is still an amateur. I mean she's been here for years, but it's like, she's only gotten popular now...I think that we can expect to see some different things in the future from her and she'll probably dabble in more styles, so she'll be strong for a while too. I don't think either one will become as popular as they were or are now, but they won't be gone either. Ai...will probably be in there somewhere...but i dont really know about her... now i like your thread... |
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Wow I didn't know either. I always thought Utada held that record but there's 4 places between her and Namie |
The majority of Ayu vs. Anyone comparisons are usually based on sales, and so far there has only been one who actually has outsold Ayu on more than one occasion..
Which is probably why it's so strong toward that person [although, I really don't know why people would get all competitive over that.. |
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Random question:
What was Koda wearing in kiseki's PV?! D:! Reminded me of the "witch" in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe.. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3...helixc9.th.jpg |
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I personally think all 3 singers have already reached their peak. Albeit I am not completely sure... but given Kuu's recent sales and Ai's declining single sales, that's the conclusion I've come to. In the future, people will remember Ayu as the queen of Jpop. Kuu, maybe for her sexy marketing. And Ai... I'm not sure people will really remember her at all.
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The big difference is that Utada vs Hamasaki Ayumi threads were often more cordial =) Ironically, many Utada fans often commented (negatively) on Hamasaki Ayumi's image - topless, leopard skin outfit, leaves, *nothing* |
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Koda kumi had already declined, she can no longer be the top female singer anymore this year. Some Japaneses are actually saying "sayanara" (goodbye) to her. If her ballads best sell no more than 300,000 pieces, she will be completely over(according to Japaneses ).No offense, but the fact is fact.
Ai is not at the same "class" as ayu. But she's still a top female singer today. Ayu(along with utada) has already be the same class as B'z, Mr.children and southern all stars. Boa...well...in terms of popularity,sorry to say though, she was over few years ago. |
I still don't understand if the Best of Kumi is still limited to 250,000 or not..anyway over is a BIG word, everyartist have high and low moments, not just because of a small sales album she will lose popularity
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OMG!! Kuu has lower sales than I thought.. MUCH lower!
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Seriously, was it 'over' when Ayu didn't sell out 'Daybreak'? Was it 'over' when 'A BALLADS' didn't hit 1 million? Was it 'over' when Ayu went from 591k with '&' to 222k with 'forgiveness'? No. |
I wouldnt say over...more like she reached her peak..but that doesnt mean shes not popular anymore or whatever. Ayu reached her peak and after many years shes still one of the most popular female artists. I dont know if kumi can be like ayu after years from her peak but I dont think she will be gone...we will just have to see.
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Yes, Ayu was quite popular from the start. Her first album reached more than 1,000,000 copies. Her first few singles didn't sold super great, but it was already pretty good: poker face: ................................................ 43,150 YOU: .................................................. ........ 78,260 Trust: .................................................. ..... 181,820 For My Dear...: ............................................ 74,440 Depend on you: ........................................ 131,460 WHATEVER: ............................................... 189,610 LOVE ~destiny~: ....................................... 650,790 TO BE: .................................................. ...... 324,500 Boys & Girls: ............................................ 1,037,950 [...] Oh, and the Final Fantasy song, the duet with BoA and Cutie Honey didn't boost her sales like crazy at all. If so, her early days as a singer would be a lot better in terms of sales and popularity. She did not become a very popular artist after these. She only became the hit girl around the 12 singles. |
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I don't think Kuu is "over". It's too soon to say, especially she's just had the highest sales for an artist last year. Ironically, I think Best~Bounce & Lovers is a really good CD that I will be buying. The orchestral version of Sen no Kotoba is itself a good enough reason to buy it. It'll be interesting to see how Ai turns out in the next few years or so. As for Boa, she is still one of the most popular singers in Asia right now. I personally think she could have been better though (I feel she hasn't improved much since Valenti). Quote:
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^I though it was the other way around? 60-40 guys to girls?
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I haven't seen her LOVE COOK tour; but in the JAM PUNCH one, it looks like there were more guys than girls. |
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The sale figure is only one symbol of popularity.There are still other factors.But, her best and single just indicated that she ended her peak and are becoming another "orange range". (well... koda is ,in fact, declining faster than orange range). P.S please don't compare an album cut(daybreak) to koda's original single. There is a big difference between 60,000(BUT) and 1X0,000(forgiveness).At least, they are not at the same so-called "class". Also, A ballads sells MUCH more than her ballads best(300,000 is already a low standard for big stars like her). I understand that ballads best never sells as great as 'normal' best, but her decline in sale is so fast that you can already see her end. After all, koda is only a boom. |
How can you say she is only a boom? She beated Ayu's sales for 2 times in a row so I don't see her as a boom, now people know her and started to appreciate her earlier works and I don't think she will go down so easily, she isn't just another occidental singer that shows her body and can't even sing decently in a live, she has talent for real.
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well if you have to compare koda and ayu...koda beat ayu 2 times...but with what? lets see....2 best albums, 12 single collection, and the rest of the singles she released last year. Koda was at her peak too and ayu long passed hers.
I think kodas recent decline in sales might just be a bad timing or something...maybe her next single (or if shes releasing 2 singles at the same time o_O) and studio album (hopefully) will do better. Hope she wont do another drama or attach whatever to the album and we will see how well it will sell. |
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Koda is pushed so hard by avex(12 singles/3 Bests in 3 years) in ways that I've never seen.Once those things cease, she has a great chance to fall. Ayu is already a female version of B'z/Mr.children, you can't really say that " Kat-tun has beaten B'z/Mr.children for X times, so they are taking over them!!" They are not comparable. |
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Regarding 'forgiveness', there really isn't a big difference. Ayu went from '&' selling 591k to 'forgiveness' selling 222k. That's a 62% drop. Kuu went from 'Yume no Uta' (I'm not counting Cherry Girl for obvious reasons) which sold 301k to 'BUT/Aishou' which would need to sell 116k to experience the same 62% drop Ayu did. Quote:
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On the other hand, Ayu and Kuu are both idol-type singers. ===== I don't think you can really judge after 1 single. Wait for her next release, then decide. |
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About sales..well it doesn't mean that Kumi with her next single or album or whatever can't go up again..every artists have their ups and downs and now for a solo singer sell like 800,000 it's IMPOSSIBLE, time change, sales change...look at Namie..she has a decline time but she is going up again. Quote:
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lol... that's probably coz like Ai was voted no.1 one by males as the celebrity they'd most like to date. hahaha Quote:
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What she wears doesn't change how well she sings =) |
I think it's fairly safe to say that Kuu has started declining. Between BC debuting at 500k and the low sales of this new best and single, it would seem as if 2006 was her best year.
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well to be fair...its only the start of 2007...we should wait till end of the year and see. You never know...there could be some surprises. On the other hand...I am waiting impatiently for ayus new single. Hope she will being out something good :D
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True, it definately could be premature, but i think after a studio album, best album, and single all do no meet expectations, there's a very high chance we're seeing a decline in popularity.
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This is getting old.
You can´t compare sales. |
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