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truehappiness 4th June 2009 12:34 AM

Subtitled Ayu concerts.. better?
 
So I'm starting to watch AT07 with subtitles, and I was in the first few lines of evolution when I realized that I think I might like concerts a whole lot more if I knew what she was singing WHEN SHE WAS SINGING.

It's so beautiful! OMG! It totally enhances the performance for me..

Has anyone seen/experienced this? Jesus, it's amazing, haha.

http://secsecae.multiply.com/
Watch/download subtitled versions over at secsecae's blog!

Delirium-Zer0 4th June 2009 12:38 AM

I'm with you on that! The first subtitled concert thing/clip I ever watched was "I am..." at AT2002, and I was quite literally in tears. It was AMAZING how much better it was to watch it like that.

NintendoHTF1242 4th June 2009 12:38 AM

I'd only like subtitles if it were for the parts were she speaks. Since we have English translations for the songs already. I just would like to know what she and her crew are laughing about on stage during a MC xD

EDIT: Holy crap thank you for the site xD all her PV's in one easy to find place <33 Plus they're subtitled yayayy

labello 4th June 2009 12:43 AM

I know what you mean truehappiness!!!
When there are subtitles you really get what she is trying to say and what she feels~
Without subtitles I know roughly what she is singing but with them it's way better~~

krazeyo 4th June 2009 01:02 AM

soo true! I remember when I watched AT05 I thought it was amazing..but then when Halkun(I think??) uploaded the subtitled version of it, it was AWESOME. :P It's kind of hard to remember the lyrics to every part of a song, so when it's right there in front of you, its great :P

Secsecae's pretty awesome. I've been following his multiply blog for like 3 years now! :D

pommy48 4th June 2009 02:52 AM

<3 i love secsecae's blog~ it was because of him that i wanted to join AHS *o*

i saw A Song for XX @ DT01 <3<3 it was amazing

tasking 4th June 2009 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242 (Post 1967678)
I'd only like subtitles if it were for the parts were she speaks. Since we have English translations for the songs already. I just would like to know what she and her crew are laughing about on stage during a MC xD

I agree with this.

Andrenekoi 4th June 2009 03:16 AM

most of her choreographies and performaces are based on the lyrics xD

waterballoon 4th June 2009 03:19 AM

I know right! I'm so looking forward to PCDL... with subtitles, but too bad it's in Chinese. :/ I might not be able to grasp the meaning fast enough lol~

emi♡ 4th June 2009 03:55 AM

I personally hate having the lyrics there when she's singing it.

I only like them when she says something.

The ideal situation for me, would be having two copies. A totally subtitled one, lyrics and everything...and one where only the talking parts are subtitled.

truehappiness 4th June 2009 06:14 AM

Well, in an age of fanmade stuff, you can't be picky.. unless you pay them to do it, haha.

SolarAngel 4th June 2009 06:56 AM

Wow this is quite a valuable site. Thanks for sharing!

mcluva420 4th June 2009 07:04 AM

yess, unless you understand japanese perfectly

AyUta 4th June 2009 07:44 AM

Yes! Because then you enjoy the performances more and feel the emotion. It's a greater experience. I've only watched one tour without subtitles, and that was my first Ayu tour. I couldn't stand it lol. So from then on I only watched tours with English subtitles. Currently I'm looking for more...right now I'm watching all of Ayu's PVs on sesecae's blog. I love the blog!

chloeM 4th June 2009 07:58 AM

secsecae rocks~~

C+R+E+AYUMI 4th June 2009 09:27 AM

it was more that OMG truehappiness!! to me the very best would be having romaji subtitles..then i'll say Oh my my my my holy God!!

MissElin_ 4th June 2009 12:17 PM

Totally!
Of the same reasons you guys have pointed ouhe feeling is over the top amazing with lyrics.
And I LOVE to have lyrics in the talking parts too. The talking shows so much personality that you really cant capture if you dont know the language and have no lyrics.

LacusClyne 4th June 2009 02:34 PM

yes i quite like subtitles, i prefer to know the direct meaning when ayu is talking/singing.

Lanz16 4th June 2009 04:11 PM

I think yes, its very good for those who can't appreciate Jpop because of its language barrier.

alternarist 4th June 2009 05:25 PM

of cos i like subtitled concert DVDs. but i dont think it will happen because after all, the product is made in Japan. :(

truehappiness 4th June 2009 05:26 PM

There are no subtitled DVDs (never mentioned them).

However, there are fan subtitled works which are just as good.

alternarist 4th June 2009 05:35 PM

^ then cant i mention it?

:)

AyUta 4th June 2009 06:01 PM

That would be cool if they did that though. It would never happen of course. Only if Avex found out Ayu had a HUGE fanbase here in the US.

sugarbasil 5th June 2009 09:21 AM

For me, I really like them. Her performances are great without them, but they bring so much more emotion to the floor when you know what she's saying. For example, even without the subtitles, her Memorial Address live performance at Arena Tour 03-04 is stellar and emotional without the lyrics, but with them I just fall into tears.

If you're showing a live to someone else, though, I'm not sure if I like having lyrics or not. This is due mostly to the person focusing more on the subtitles than the actual concert. It's like watching a movie with subtitles: you have to put more effort into understanding what's being said, you you don't have the time to soak in the visuals. :shrug

Arenia 5th June 2009 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1967676)
So I'm starting to watch AT07 with subtitles, and I was in the first few lines of evolution when I realized that I think I might like concerts a whole lot more if I knew what she was singing WHEN SHE WAS SINGING.

It's so beautiful! OMG! It totally enhances the performance for me..

Has anyone seen/experienced this? Jesus, it's amazing, haha.

http://secsecae.multiply.com/
Watch/download subtitled versions over at secsecae's blog!

ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!!!
of course we already have english translations for the songs
but if I knew what she was singing WHEN SHE WAS SINGING
it's totally different feeling
every ayu's emotional, every ayu's choreographies, every ayu's moves, dexcribe her lyric
so powerfull.... so real.... :love

asmAyumi1992 5th June 2009 11:37 AM

I love secsecae!!

C+R+E+AYUMI 5th June 2009 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1968100)
Totally!
The talking shows so much personality that you really cant capture if you dont know the language and have no lyrics.

Moreover, sometimes even if you know the language, colloquial words are so fast pronounced that you can't catch it anyway, no? :dead2

Choyan 5th June 2009 02:02 PM

yea I prefer to understand everything from start to finish, song and mc AS it is performed/played~ it's like
"oh, THAT's why she goes point" or why she pushes her hand out~ LOL XD yes~

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1967886)
Well, in an age of fanmade stuff, you can't be picky.. unless you pay them to do it, haha.

ah~ soft sub~ soft sub :D~ XD turn them on and off XD~~

RikkuChii 5th June 2009 09:05 PM

I really do. It tends to make me love a song way more (Like M). That, and I can finally see what they're talking about in the MC's.

pUrpLeSn0w 6th June 2009 04:35 AM

yeah yeah it would be great to have subtitles..especially the MC part where they were all laughing.. coooool~~

i wanna know what they're laughing about!!! w/o having to look at the translation given when you buy the dvd anyway!!!

Larien 6th June 2009 09:49 PM

Definetly agreed. AT07 did it for me, too, especially with kiss o' kill, because that's one of my favorite performances (Evolution, too!).

nemesisyume 7th June 2009 12:11 AM

yes I love it when there's english subtitles!
omg I cried like 5 times when I watched CDL 05-06 with subs :laugh

*JOEY* 7th June 2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1968314)
There are no subtitled DVDs (never mentioned them).

However, there are fan subtitled works which are just as good.

Hey~the latest HK version of PCDL 2008-2009 DVD has subtitle in Chinese!
I guess this is the first subtitled DVD ever released officially......
(I know some VCD in the past has subtitle as well, but I forgot which one)

kirei_ayumi 7th June 2009 08:23 PM

it's definitely much better and helpful because i don't know a lick of Japanese.
so hopefully ayu will look into english subs for future DVDs

Arenia 8th June 2009 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *JOEY* (Post 1972010)
Hey~the latest HK version of PCDL 2008-2009 DVD has subtitle in Chinese!
I guess this is the first subtitled DVD ever released officially......
(I know some VCD in the past has subtitle as well, but I forgot which one)


ayu, why Chinese subtitle???
i really hope for english subs, more universal i think :innocent

emi♡ 8th June 2009 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1967886)
Well, in an age of fanmade stuff, you can't be picky.. unless you pay them to do it, haha.

not really...since I don't really care...

I could just as easily watch her perform without any subtitles at all...which is what I've been doing since I became a fan...so...

yeah. For me it really makes no difference.

naxxo.licious™ 8th June 2009 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarbasil (Post 1969142)
If you're showing a live to someone else, though, I'm not sure if I like having lyrics or not. This is due mostly to the person focusing more on the subtitles than the actual concert. It's like watching a movie with subtitles: you have to put more effort into understanding what's being said, you you don't have the time to soak in the visuals. :shrug

I think it actually helps. Some people get easily bored when they don't understand what the artist is singing/saying.

I've showed subtitled concerts to my friends, and they enjoy them much more.

In my case, i love subtitles. I'm actually making subtitles for PCDL right now (only the singing parts tho). Hopefully i'll be done in a few days ;).

zyoeru 8th June 2009 09:37 AM

Sometimes it's better, sometimes it isn't. Like on Youtube there's some nice videos with good quality subs in yellow. I really like those.

But then there's some that are just dreadful. As long as the concert and subs are HQ I don't care. ;D

ayuayu798 8th June 2009 09:51 PM

Yeah it's a lot better! I even start to lovesome songs that I never paid too much mind to before!

*JOEY* 9th June 2009 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arenia (Post 1972559)
ayu, why Chinese subtitle???
i really hope for english subs, more universal i think :innocent

i guess her market still focus on Asia......particularly Chinese...
so it is understood that the DVD has subtitle in Chinese......

dreamland2.0 9th June 2009 09:01 PM

I only really like it during the parts where she is talking. I find I become destracted if there is subtitles when she is singing! Though it is great to know the lyrics meaning too!

Hydeki 9th June 2009 09:32 PM

Definetely YES. I love to understand what is she saying to the crowd and the lyrics of the songs... In my language (Spanish) I just have a concert, (Arena Tour 2006) but I have a few more in english (The first disc of AT05, CDL 05-06, Stadium Tour and... no more? O_o I thought I had more than the ones I named...) that I can understand 90%.

When I read what she says I feel like... nearer of her, like I am a part of the show ^^ .

ren0210989 9th June 2009 10:31 PM

oh GOD yes!!!!!!!!!

i first watched the Dome tour with subs, and it just hit my soul!!!!!!!!
LOVE that concert!!!!

but i also noticed that i pay less attention to the actual show if i have subs. i don't catch all the details unlike the subless concerts.
but i always watch her concerts more that once so it's no biggie :P

rakeru 11th June 2009 02:09 AM

it's great for the MC. before i saw a subtitled concert, i always wondered what in the world she could be talking about!

Bad Wolf 11th June 2009 04:38 AM

I'm half and half on this. I can enjoy her concerts without seeing the subtitles, because they're a spectacle in themselves, and it's usually all about the visuals and the way she sings and the band, dancers, etc... And for most of her songs I can get the gist from the lyrics as I've sorta memorized a few parts here and there. When I watch it with the subtitles it usually is when a particular song is special to me and I want to know exactly what she says (as much as the translation allows that meaning to show through). I can watch both and like them, though the subtitles are also very nice. :3

Btw that blog has been like, my saving grace for over a year XD I love it to death! I was just watching her NEXT LEVEL PVs on there earlier today.


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