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Old 21st December 2010, 02:29 PM
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Your coment to "Love Song & Last Angel"

What do you think about Love Songs and Last angel?
I made a thread for both PV's because It makes a Story

I love both videos and it's very excited the whole Story and it will be all good at the End.
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Old 21st December 2010, 02:32 PM
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I think Virgin Road is also part of the story^^
the order is Love song - Last angel - Virgin road
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Old 21st December 2010, 03:01 PM
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love song, last angel, & virgin road they are all connected. i must say !! EPIC !!!
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Old 21st December 2010, 03:11 PM
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The car scene in Last angel reminds me of ourselves PV :x
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Old 21st December 2010, 03:15 PM
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^ yeah, totally!
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Old 21st December 2010, 03:34 PM
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No, I thought Virgin Road, Love Song and then Last Angel, beause in Love Song the girl and Manuel had stolen money and these reminded Ayu and she felt down.
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Old 21st December 2010, 03:42 PM
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they're all epic PVs, and it's nice to see how they're connected way better than glitter + fated.
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Old 21st December 2010, 04:00 PM
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I don't REALLY understand these vid... love song + last angel... can anyone care to explain to me..
like what is the significance of the other ayu look alike girl?
how did ayu die?
who is chasing ayu......
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Old 21st December 2010, 05:29 PM
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^huh? the other ayu look alike?

if you mean the girl who rob with Mannie, that IS ayu. i got my USB version and had just watched the DVD making of, it IS Ayu.
They had to cut the mask a little smaller, as the mask is too big for Ayu.
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Old 21st December 2010, 05:31 PM
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no i mean the white girl that was with mannie... what is her significance in the film?
is ayu a ghost haunting the girl? i dunno...
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Old 21st December 2010, 05:40 PM
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The ending for Virgin Road didn't match if continue to Love song, so I think the correct order is : Love song - Last angel - Virgin Road

Though we need some interpretation to understand the whole PV.

My thoughts are only like this :
In Love song PV, Ayu left Mannie, but we haven't find the reason that time. She's just running away and suddenly meets a robber crime. Maybe Ayu is so depressed and think that the bank robber is Mannie, failed to run and gets shot by the officer.

In Last angel PV, the scene where Ayu sing is just an illusion I think, because she already died. Also, Mannie is cheating on another woman, that might be the reason why Ayu leave him. The scene where Ayu running away from a stalker (Perhaps) represent Ayu feeling at that time, she wants to go anywhere but she can't, and it's troubling her. At the end of the PV, the REAL Mannie come in a dream, and they go together.

In Virgin Road PV, they dreaming having fun, rob a bank, and so on....

It's just my opinion anyway, feel free to discuss~
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The ending for Virgin Road didn't match if continue to Love song, so I think the correct order is : Love song - Last angel - Virgin Road

Though we need some interpretation to understand the whole PV.

My thoughts are only like this :
In Love song PV, Ayu left Mannie, but we haven't find the reason that time. She's just running away and suddenly meets a robber crime. Maybe Ayu is so depressed and think that the bank robber is Mannie, failed to run and gets shot by the officer.

In Last angel PV, the scene where Ayu sing is just an illusion I think, because she already died. Also, Mannie is cheating on another woman, that might be the reason why Ayu leave him. The scene where Ayu running away from a stalker (Perhaps) represent Ayu feeling at that time, she wants to go anywhere but she can't, and it's troubling her. At the end of the PV, the REAL Mannie come in a dream, and they go together.

In Virgin Road PV, they dreaming having fun, rob a bank, and so on....

It's just my opinion anyway, feel free to discuss~
It makes perfect sense what you said...
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Old 21st December 2010, 05:57 PM
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That short rock-ish hairstyle does not work on her, but beyond that I liked both PVs
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Old 21st December 2010, 06:02 PM
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I think Mannie is dead in Love Song PV. Like when the taxi driver checks the mirror and Mannie is suddenly gone, or when he is running trough the streets and you can't see him in the window of this shop
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Old 21st December 2010, 06:50 PM
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I think Mannie is dead in Love Song PV. Like when the taxi driver checks the mirror and Mannie is suddenly gone, or when he is running trough the streets and you can't see him in the window of this shop
I just watched the PV again and what you said is true.
He isn't real at all, Ayu acts like didn't see Mannie from the beginning, he can't be seen in the window shop, in taxi mirror, also he didn't splash the water when stepping the water, he isn't real in that PV. (There's also a sound effect when Mannie chasing the taxi)

So Ayu is cried because Mannie is dead?
She decide to go somewhere but seeing someone like Mannie (who is already dead) robs a bank, together with herself? She thinks it's weird and fainted.
It makes more sense

Or Ayu is also dead from the beginning?
Because the entire Last angel PV didn't showing she's alive.
We only can see Ayu's illusion singing near that place, where Ayu is fainted.

The random stalker scene is still confusing though...
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Old 21st December 2010, 09:54 PM
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I think Mannie is dead in Love Song PV. Like when the taxi driver checks the mirror and Mannie is suddenly gone, or when he is running trough the streets and you can't see him in the window of this shop
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I just watched the PV again and what you said is true.
He isn't real at all, Ayu acts like didn't see Mannie from the beginning, he can't be seen in the window shop, in taxi mirror, also he didn't splash the water when stepping the water, he isn't real in that PV. (There's also a sound effect when Mannie chasing the taxi)
Thats what I though at first too, when I saw the short ver. of Love Song. You can find the post I made about here the song I compared the video to was Nickelback's Someday. Anyways on to my interpretations.

After seeing the full PV for Love Song it would fit to say that Virgin Road -> Love Song -> Last Angel.

Virgin Road is their past lives where they got married and robbed banks yet they made it out of it alive and happy. Were as in Love song they have been reborn and their present life is anything but happy endings. It fits into the belief that if you were a bad person in your pass life you will have to pay for it in your next (I guess an easy way to call it would be Karma).

I'll start with Last Angel before I explain love song because it holds the back story. Ayu is dead you see people gather around her while her spirit is in the background singing. The we start to see her memories, like how your life passes right before your eyes before you die, which gives us the back story or some of it.

We see flashbacks of her and Mannie together as well as Mannie and some other girl. Notice that in the memories her hair was curly and it isn't straight like in Love Song. This represents a different time.

My assumption is that Ayu found out Mannie was cheating on her so she left him. So she left and the person chasing her is Mannie trying to explain and get her back.

The reason I think it's Mannie who's following her is because although you can't see him the silhouette looks like Mannie such as the shadow at 3:24. You she the person's shadow has their hair tied up like Mannie does in most of their videos.

In the end Ayu is dead and we see Mannie dressing as he was in Virgin Road helping Ayu up, who is also wearing the Virgin Road outfit. We can assume they are going to heaven now because they paid for their crimes in their past lives in this one. Thats why they are dress in the Virgin Road attire because this was the happiest time for the both of them their past lives. In order for him to be a spirit as well means that he is dead which goes back of my theory of him already being dead in Love Song.

Love Song you see Ayu packing to leave and in the video I would assume that somehow she found out Mannie was dead.

Although we can see Mannie she looks right pass him. He doesn't have a reflection in most of the video except in the cab mirror (which is slightly confusing) until the driver adjust it and he disappear as if his reflection was never there to begin with. He also doesn't make any splashes in the puddles and doesn't show up in the glass of the shops.

At first I wasn't sure how the stalker scene ended but now after writing this and rereading my interpretations. I think that he caught up to her and manage to applogize to her and they got back together.

So after fighting and breaking up because he was cheating they got back together, but it still doesn't give them a happily ever after because after they get back together something happens and he dies.

From the trauma of finding out he's dead she starts hallucinating when she see the robbers as Mannie and Her, which can also represent their past lives as robbers and their crime. This is where she gets caught in the crossfire between the robbers and the police.

This all goes back to the karma thing, they committed crimes in their past and in their present they are face with various obstacles and strains on their relationship. In the end they can finally be happy and at peace after they died because now they can start over with a clean slate.

The only thing that doesn't fit is how did Mannie die?
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Old 21st December 2010, 10:25 PM
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The only thing that doesn't fit is how did Mannie die?
Maybe whatever was chasing Ayu in the parking garage?
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Maybe whatever was chasing Ayu in the parking garage?
This post is pretty much my imagination running wild based off of the thought that Mannie died in the garage.

I thought it was Mannie chasing her because it kind of looks like him. However there could be someone else. All I know is that there could have been 2 guys in the garage with her.

Though at 4:04 there someone behind her (Mannie in my opinion) but from 4:13 TO 4:14 there was someone sitting it a car when she walked passed it (why would there be someone in a car if they weren't important?). So maybe something did happen in the garage and Mannie saved her and died? Possibly without her knowing he was there. She was spooked and drove away and Mannie stayed to fight the guy because that could be a reason why she was so upset in Love Song, she upset because she felt it was her fault he died?

There so many things we can actually make up in between the scenes and try to fill in the blank but its hard to know what was intended.
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Thats what I though at first too, when I saw the short ver. of Love Song. You can find the post I made about here the song I compared the video to was Nickelback's Someday. Anyways on to my interpretations.

After seeing the full PV for Love Song it would fit to say that Virgin Road -> Love Song -> Last Angel.

Virgin Road is their past lives where they got married and robbed banks yet they made it out of it alive and happy. Were as in Love song they have been reborn and their present life is anything but happy endings. It fits into the belief that if you were a bad person in your pass life you will have to pay for it in your next (I guess an easy way to call it would be Karma).

I'll start with Last Angel before I explain love song because it holds the back story. Ayu is dead you see people gather around her while her spirit is in the background singing. The we start to see her memories, like how your life passes right before your eyes before you die, which gives us the back story or some of it.

We see flashbacks of her and Mannie together as well as Mannie and some other girl. Notice that in the memories her hair was curly and it isn't straight like in Love Song. This represents a different time.

My assumption is that Ayu found out Mannie was cheating on her so she left him. So she left and the person chasing her is Mannie trying to explain and get her back.

The reason I think it's Mannie who's following her is because although you can't see him the silhouette looks like Mannie such as the shadow at 3:24. You she the person's shadow has their hair tied up like Mannie does in most of their videos.

In the end Ayu is dead and we see Mannie dressing as he was in Virgin Road helping Ayu up, who is also wearing the Virgin Road outfit. We can assume they are going to heaven now because they paid for their crimes in their past lives in this one. Thats why they are dress in the Virgin Road attire because this was the happiest time for the both of them their past lives. In order for him to be a spirit as well means that he is dead which goes back of my theory of him already being dead in Love Song.

Love Song you see Ayu packing to leave and in the video I would assume that somehow she found out Mannie was dead.

Although we can see Mannie she looks right pass him. He doesn't have a reflection in most of the video except in the cab mirror (which is slightly confusing) until the driver adjust it and he disappear as if his reflection was never there to begin with. He also doesn't make any splashes in the puddles and doesn't show up in the glass of the shops.

At first I wasn't sure how the stalker scene ended but now after writing this and rereading my interpretations. I think that he caught up to her and manage to applogize to her and they got back together.

So after fighting and breaking up because he was cheating they got back together, but it still doesn't give them a happily ever after because after they get back together something happens and he dies.

From the trauma of finding out he's dead she starts hallucinating when she see the robbers as Mannie and Her, which can also represent their past lives as robbers and their crime. This is where she gets caught in the crossfire between the robbers and the police.

This all goes back to the karma thing, they committed crimes in their past and in their present they are face with various obstacles and strains on their relationship. In the end they can finally be happy and at peace after they died because now they can start over with a clean slate.

The only thing that doesn't fit is how did Mannie die?

After I read your interpretations, I finally understand the story line That's why AYU's leaving the place cuz Mannie is died, but as you said, how did he die ? Thanks anyway, now I am going to look again as well~!!
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Old 21st December 2010, 06:15 PM
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Okay here is my interpretation.

In Love song, Ayu wants to leave Mannie, but we're unsure of why or what happened. All we know is that she's leaving & he's chasing them. It comes to a point where Ayu witnesses a robbery. Now here's the confusing part:

- the robbers may or may not have been Ayu & Mannie
- most likely they're random robbers BUT Ayu "sees" them as herself & Mannie; like a DEJA VU from her past (in Virgin Road), which also explains why they were wearing masks, almost to give off that "identity is hidden" feeling.

So anyway, 1 of the robbers shoot Ayu & she falls/dies/whatever.

In Last angel, we see a continuation of the last scene in Love song, with a typical 'Ayu soul' persona singing out as she watches. We then see interlinked scenes of Mannie with another woman, and Mannie with Ayu.

So like quite obviously, Mannie is 2-timing Ayu lol. Anyway, the later scenes where she starts escaping and running from SOMEONE is baffling, and I've been thinking why she is running away and so in fear, especially of a particular person who seems to have her at the end of the car scene. My thoughts;

- She's running away from Mannie, who finds her eventually, but I don't see why she would be so afraid
- She's running away from the police, assuming Mannie & her really are the robbers in Love song

Either way, this is the only scene in the trilogy I haven't figured out, so~

Then we go back to the streets where a dead Ayu lies, and suddenly, Mannie from the PAST aka his previous life "comes back" to take Ayu

& we come to Virgin Road, which we see Ayu & Mannie getting married. For obvious reasons, this Ayu & Mannie is obviously a past life, while the Ayu & Mannie we see in Love song & Last angel are the present beings.

So yes, we know what happens in Virgin Road, a happy ending for the past life, but is there a happy ending for the present life? I mean she's dead & he cheated on her...

I also think it's a good shoutout to this particular stanza in Virgin Road:

I feel that person you once met and loved
Is somehow like the person I love
For example, his casual gestures somehow remind me of the image of that person
When I noticed that
A very warm single tear slid down my cheek



It's like she's showing... the present her is seeing/feeling what her past life/mother has experienced with Mannie/her father, well almost.

The thing is, it's like how Ayu herself feels a connection between herself & Mannie, and her parents.

And, it was different for herself because things happen, like Mannie 2-timing her, so it's like Mannie reminds her of her dad, yet it is different because Mannie ISN'T her dad omg I hope I made sense.

But still, this trilogy is the best PV in the album, alongside with blossom (I know many are hatin' on blossom PV cos Ayu isn't in it/Jaejoong is in it & I feel sorry for those who haven't even watched it cos the story is beautiful and matches the song reli well, and the mood is fantastic too~)...
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