Thoughts: glitter/fated

[Keishi]

The new songs sound boring w/e ppl say. Dang, the previews sound amazing to me, but hearing them in full...kinda disappointing.

Especially fated. I love how they build the chorus from silence to climax in the trailer. But now, they blend it together with the verse/bridge.


Hopefully the PV will change my mind about the new songs. :/

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

I didn't see that user saying anything about "hating" Ayu. My impression is that they have just been getting disappointed with Ayu's recent releases. In my time as an Ayu fan I have definitely noticed that the newer fans tend to love everything that Ayu releases while the older ones tend to be less impressed. Either Ayu is actually getting worse or it's just a natural progression that most fans go through. So those newer fans that are praising her singles now, very well maybe "SnowDrop" in the future.
Personally I think her singles have been relatively weak since from Heaven until now, but I still love her album tracks and I go to her concerts constantly. So does not loving this single somehow mean I'm bad mouthing her or don't like her now or make me less of a fan?

I wasn't talking about him, I was talking generally about people who sadly, hate ayu, they don't have to like her but there's no reason for hating her.

I'm an ayu fan nearly 4 years and most of the time I'm highly impressed with her work and I find most of it amazing and with high and different qualities.
I never get tired of her even a bit, I would lie if I say I do.
I love A LOT ayu's old style and my most fav album of her is LOVEppears, but I love the newer styles as well, ayu can't be the same dark ayu as she was or everyone would get bored and that I would call repetitive.

Originally Posted by ruixiong89

Well, my stand about the whole "Ayu fans being demanding" issue is that, yup, I agree that fans are being demanding, especially Ayu fans. I think it's ok that people don't like certain Ayu songs (since it doesn't suit their personal tastes) but when people start making demands like "I want her to do another evolution!" or "I want the next song to be like Dearest!", I think that's getting ridiculous.

Like it or not, let's face it, it's impossible for Ayu to produce a song that EVERYONE loves. I think fans need to start evaluating Ayu's song more absolutely, like is the song really that good instead of basing it off relative scales. It's rather ridiculous to be saying that a new Ayu song sucks if you've only heard it once. Give each song a chance, and if it really doesn't fit your style, yup, it's fine. It's only problematic when fans start dissing each other off.

Regarding glitter/fated, I'm absolutely in love with it. I seriously think it's one of the freshest material Ayu has produced in recently years. She's moving in a new direction, and as fans, I think we should move along too. No point always holding onto those past Ayu hits when the Ayu that has sung those songs has already moved onto a new direction. It's not like she's changing to do rap or visual kei. It's still Ayu, but it's Ayu that has matured and changed.

I agree A LOT with that, ayu fans are really demanding, if the songs aren't fitting their styles or what they expected it to be they'll dislike it and blame ayu's style going worst.
(Well, I think that since Bold & Delicious that was alright it's getting better and better to being WOW).
I find it pretty subjective because no one can't like everything ayu does now and no one has to dislike everything ayu does now.
I think that if ayu was repetitive and her songs were low quality, I'm sure she couldn't get such a high sales as she get because Japanese likes quality and fresh stuff, even fans and if they don't get it they're going away.
now you can't compare ayu's sales to past years, and of course now they'll be lower unless ayu comes up with something that we never heard her doing before and sound really good, but I'm satisfied with what she is doing now.
I don't need to be demanding, and even if sometimes I do I thank ayu a lot for fulfilling my wishes.

Originally Posted by Partino

you should be loyal to your roots and always look back because what you did in past could be your future.

I don't really agree with that, BUT I agree with that in the way that ayu could get some inspiration or do some continuism to her past work.
I disagree in the way that she doesn't need at all to get her songs from the pasts newer (I mean new songs that sound like her old style) because if she would do that (well one time is ok) people would be get bored, instead of getting forward with her career and style she got back backwards and stuff.

ayu has to do fresh and new material in order to succeed.
glitter/fated are not low quality at all.
Fresh...glitter is the summer song poppy song, it's expected even before hearing it it won't be as fresh and Japanese people LOVE summer poppy songs.
fated IS fresh, it's a ballad, but what ballad sound in the way fated go? and the instruments?

ayu can't make us ALL satisfied...

[ayumisrael]

^Don't be sorry, you can say negative stuff, and I wasn't talking about you along people that hate ayu, they usually bash her and immature (or hate all of her stuff and just come here to say only negative things about her).

It's fine that you said what you said, don't be sorry.
You don't have to like ayu anymore of course, but I think people don't know what people that don't like ayu anymore have to do in her forums at all (unless it's other artists that he/she still likes thread) xD.

[Partino]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

I don't really agree with that, BUT I agree with that in the way that ayu could get some inspiration or do some continuism to her past work.
I disagree in the way that she doesn't need at all to get her songs from the pasts newer (I mean new songs that sound like her old style) because if she would do that (well one time is ok) people would be get bored, instead of getting forward with her career and style she got back backwards and stuff.

I didn't mean new lyrics old sound ... I meant old lyrics and new sounds ... her old lyrics where ... well ... special ...her new stuff is just to get money ... at least that's what I feel.

I still love AYU and always will ... but she lost some of her creativity. Anyway, snow_drop it's the sound that counts and not the words

[ayumisrael]

^I really don't think it's only for money, if it was only for money then avex and ayu would pull the stuff you said and tell ayu to write lyrics that looks like her older ones in order to get really high sales to get all people connected again.
I think that ayu doesn't care the drops in sales from past years is pretty proving the nothing she does is for the money. If she wanted she could easily get it high, but she is just natural with her work and do what she feels like, as she need.
She wouldn't invest a lot of money on PVs and stuff specailly for her fans to enjoy if she would do it for the money.

If she would do stuff now like kumi (a lot of releases, compilations, limited editions, first presses, photobooks and stuff) so I would say it's for the money I don't like how avex treat to kumi to just earn money from her, though I love kumi's music a lot, but ayu's career is more of a singer, and hikaru's as well for example. kumi's career is a career that gives me to think she just sings for the money. Now I don't say kumi sings for the money (I hope so) but her career pretty gives that image.

[Partino]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

^I really don't think it's only for money, if it was only for money then avex and ayu would pull the stuff you said and tell ayu to write lyrics that looks like her older ones in order to get really high sales to get all people connected again.
I think that ayu doesn't care the drops in sales from past years is pretty proving the nothing she does is for the money. If she wanted she could easily get it high, but she is just natural with her work and do what she feels like, as she need.
She wouldn't invest a lot of money on PVs and stuff specailly for her fans to enjoy if she would do it for the money.

thank god we live in a free world and we are very mature and don't bash around cause we disagree and behave like a very immature babyut.... that was close; a lot of things you said maybe true but others .. let's just say I do see things from another point

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

I don't like how avex treat to kumi to just earn money from her, though I love kumi's music a lot, but ayu's career is more of a singer, and hikaru's as well for example.

who says you that it's avex squeezing the last bit of money out of kuu-chan. I have to admit, I had the same thought about ayu and kuu-chan but now I think it's not avex pushing kuu-chan, it's vice versa.

I see a second max incident coming up.
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Don't get me wrong either .... still adore them both very much ... these are just thoughts ...

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Partino

thank god we live in a free world and we are very mature and don't bash around cause we disagree and behave like a very immature babyut.... that was close; a lot of things you said maybe true but others .. let's just say I do see things from another point



who says you that it's avex squeezing the last bit of money out of kuu-chan. I have to admit, I had the same thought about ayu and kuu-chan but now I think it's not avex pushing kuu-chan, it's vice versa.

I see a second max incident coming up.
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Don't get me wrong either .... still adore them both very much ... these are just thoughts ...

That's fine! you voice your honest opinion and that is what important...
So you say that kumi pulls avex? Well I really hope she doesn't...
Though kumi shouldn't be discussed here (now someone will ask then why I mentioned her, I mentioned her as looking how her career is being treated by avex as for the past posts).

Anyway I just love ayu's new single, it's amazing! can't wait for the PVs ^_^.

[ayu99persen]

whatever with you guys said...
i will buy this single..
n it would be my 1st ayu's single

[freedreamer]

those that just started Lovin Ayu is a gd thing...coz this single really is gd!
just like when i started Ayu, my first single was STEP you/is this LOVE? which was also fantastic...

and yea, Ayu cant satisfy everyone but certainly MOST people, who love her consistency in her style...and i doubt Ayu would stray away from rock and happy pop too much...so it's sad those people can appreciate...

[alternarist]

for me, i like glitter a LOT!! it has a cute tune in my opinion.. better than BLUE BIRD and fairyland which was so obvious that it was a Hawaiian song.. -_-

for fated, i jus thought it will be better..

[ayu_ready?]

smbd said Ayu so far has tried all the genres
I disagree
she hasn't...
not that I want hip hop or R&B-nooo, Namie rules here
but mayeb smth freshy
it would be awesome if she created her own new genre...

mmm, I don't agree that Ayu's now working just for the money
in the interviews she said that when she'll be not interested in music she'll straightly go away from the scene...
and if it was so doubt Avex would keep her than
they have many young artists to put up

[Mirai Noah]

Both song are good, but they don't really stick out in my mind all that much. They will have to grow on me.

[Melting_Holidays]

I don't think it's a good idea for ayu to do songs she's done since she isn't in the same emotional state as before.

Her current songs are great and HAPPY. Yeah sad ayu was great but this new ayu is also great.(lol great a lot)

[ayumisrael]

^No, but some want them to sound like what they wanted to hear or expected it to be.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

^No, but some want them to sound like what they wanted to hear or expected it to be.

Well, I know at least I didn't expect anything. I didn't like either preview that much - I actually ended up liking the full versions more than I thought I would because the previews really didn't grab me at all.

[ayumisrael]

^I know how you feel ^_^.

btw the comments that are like "I thought it will be sound better" "I thought it will sound elseway" are exactly like "I expected it to be for my taste" "I thought it will be ............" etc. are good examples for expectations and "I would want to hear what I wanted it to be or else I don't like it!".
People are less accepting than before and that's why most just getting bored, high expectations and high demandings.

[minkAYuko]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

^I know how you feel ^_^.

btw the comments that are like "I thought it will be sound better" "I thought it will sound elseway" are exactly like "I expected it to be for my taste" "I thought it will be ............" etc. are good examples for expectations and "I would want to hear what I wanted it to be or else I don't like it!".
People are less accepting than before and that's why most just getting bored, high expectations and high demandings.

Yeah! is like that all the time!,more nowadays, although I can understand why they say that, who dosen't want another rainbow or surreal or duty??? I know I would... (unless you dun like those songs to start with) but she can't repeat herself all the time!... and here is when the drama starts cause there's the ppl who think she's been doing new things! and the ones that want the old stuff and also the ones who think she has never change BUT they are sick and tire of what she's been doing and they want something new! This will go on forever cause we can't like everything ayu does, ppl is different.

the whining is what bothers me... xD You can express your feelings towards something ayu does sure! but BUT THE WHINING WON'T CHANGE A THING!!!! "NOT BUYING AYU CDs" would make the difference... is like when ppl who don´t vote and then when there is a new president they are like...... WHAT? WHY HE?, I DIDN'T LIKE HIM, I HATE HIM... EW HI's UGLY! c'mon?!

So.. seriously ppl if you are not happy with what ayu has been doing since mystory or rainbow? is most likely you won't be happy in the future so either leave it like that or just accept it but pleaaaaaaaaase!:

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by minkAYuko

the whining is what bothers me... xD You can express your feelings towards something ayu does sure! but BUT THE WHINING WON'T CHANGE A THING!!!! "NOT BUYING AYU CDs" would make the difference... is like when ppl who don´t vote and then when there is a new president they are like...... WHAT? WHY HE?, I DIDN'T LIKE HIM, I HATE HIM... EW HI's UGLY! c'mon?!

So if people don't like a release they are "whining?" Aren't you "whining" about the "whiners?" I don't like when people just write stuff like "I hate it eww" or "I wanted something else." But then why isn't the same true in reverse when people just write stuff like "OMG this is the bestest!" Why does an opinion have to be positive in order for it to be immediately accepted?

And Ayu's cd sales are going down.....(of course the quality of the music isn't the only reason for that though, but I do suspect it is part of it.)

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I obviously don't expect her to make another SURREAL or a sequel to it. I just expect her to make a song that makes you go totally WOW at first listen, reason why I take SURREAL as an example.

Exactly. I don't think when people say stuff like "I want another Surreal or another alterna" that they mean they want another song that SOUNDS like those, but that they want a song that is going to give them the same feeling after a first listen that those songs gave - the WOW feeling. That's not easy to produce with every single, but I hate it when people here gush over a single that is pretty average by Ayu standards and then wonder what went wrong when the sales figures come out and they are below expectations.

Originally Posted by Keishi

LOL Ayu's voice was barely hear-able on glitter with all those instrumentations. Probably the high quality rips can prove me wrong. I think I prefer fated to the "fairyland ~episode 99091382931~" glitter.
But still...I hate when they blend the first verse to the chorus. Remember the Kaidan trailer? When they gives a short silence before the chorus (todokanai...) it sounds like...very climaxing XD
But now they ruined it. :<

What's been bugging me most about Glitter is when the instrumental comes in and then after words the chorus starts to repeat with just Ayu and then the full blown chorus comes in. It bothers me because they used the same technique in Blue Bird, fairyland, Greatful Days, and angel's song(although it doesn't stand out to me as much in angel's song.)

Originally Posted by Sim'

I've never seen his before here on AHS, how come ? What's with this single everyone goes crazy ?

lol, this happens like every time a new single is released maybe it just doesn't go quite this in depth all the time.

Originally Posted by Demure_Dusk

No idea, but it seems to be getting a bit too dramatic. Seriously if you don't like the music - that's okay but don't create a whole melodrama out of it. Just express your opinions/thoughts once and move on.

I agree to some extent, but isn't this a discussion board? Shouldn't discussions and debates so long as they are on topic and civil be allowed, if not encouraged? Otherwise it would be pretty boring I think.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

And Ayu's cd sales are going down.....(of course the quality of the music isn't the only reason for that though, but I do suspect it is part of it.)

Ummm since Bold & Delicious, ayu's singles sales only goes up.
Even for albums, both A BEST 2 sold more than Secret... and the sales are great, they don't have to be million to be good sales, and almost no one hits million anymore.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Ummm since Bold & Delicious, ayu's singles sales only goes up.
Even for albums, both A BEST 2 sold more than Secret... and the sales are great, they don't have to be million to be good sales, and almost no one hits million anymore.

Of course A Best sold more than Secret, it is a Best album after all. But by Best album standards as well as with how much promotion it got, people expected higher sales. And the single and origina album sales since B&D have not been stellar by Ayu standards - several other female artists have outsold her, which until recently was not the case.

Originally Posted by minkAYuko

what I said (for the first time ever)was a "complaint" totally different thing... you don't see me complaining about whiners all over the forum, but you do see a lot of ppl whinning about the same thing over and over again.

I don't see how if someone complains about a song it is considered whining though.
That's like saying that every time someone overly praises a song that they should be called "blind followers." I don't think people would like that either.

Originally Posted by minkAYuko

for instance this is a BIG generalization, not everyone will think you like you (ayumisrael for instance dosen't think like you as you can see) I also don't agree with you.

But I no where stated that what I said was fact - I said "I suspect."

Like I've said, I actually LIKE the songs - they just aren't my favorite and I don't expect anything big to come of this single. My main issue here has always been that only positive opinions are accepted and only the negative ones need to be defended.(I remember having this same discussion when Blue Bird was released.^_^) To me, those that can see weaknesses in Ayu's music aren't any less fans than the next person. I'd rather see a debate than a thread full of nothing but praise that think Ayu couldn't do any wrong or any better than what she is currently doing.

Originally Posted by minkAYuko

that's the structure of the song since all of ayu songs are like that you can hear that in dearest too. I realize it from MY STORY, but it dosen't bother me now, beacuase I like the final work!.

Yeah, she has too many songs with that structure, but there are ways of masking it so that it doesn't seem like they are all that way - but for some reason it stands out like a sore thumb in her summer songs for me.