Does Ayu wear real fur?

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Originally Posted by Gedatsu

I would like to point out that YOU are making a *judgement call* based on YOUR values. "A right (people having to have a job in order to earn money, etc) doesn't justify a wrong (working with cruel activities for a foolish result)." - at least make some attempt at the subtlety in your righteousness. No offense, but who are any of us to tell someone living in China, working hard every day to feed his family, "You, you no longer work here. This is cruel, go find something else to do to feed/provide for your family!" It's unfair to push your ethics onto the entire world. Please don't counter with something as ridiculous as, "Well, then who can say murder is wrong?" - besides the fact that they are incomparable, such is the purpose of *laws*. They help to detail in a society (be it local, country-wise, or global) what is and is not "ethically" acceptable behavior. Sometimes societies agree, sometimes they don't.

What? you're talking some nonsense there. First of all, Animal Torture is a crime. I was just comparing crime with crime. Using fuel fossils isn't a crime.

It is unfair to tell such people to do other activity for their lives but it isn't unfair to torture animals? I disagree. I'm not the one forcing my ethics here, but you're making use of extreme compassion to justify something that is WRONG. When an animal specimen is about to be on complete extinction, the hunt has to drastically be stopped, and legal measures to stop such people of doing such activities is done. A good example would be with lobster hunting. Some people are extremely poor but have the material to catch lobsters and live of such activities, but there are times lobster hunting is legally forbidden. Such people suffer a lot when lobster fishing gets forbidden, and some even resort to illegaly doing that secretly, in order to have the money to feed their starving family and all those grand reasons you'd be babbling about, but end up being caught by ecological guards. So, in that case you'd spill all of your humane compassion and say the ecological guard is stupid? nonsense guy. Animal protection is a serioius thing. Now bringing back that to fur (I know you'd just going to say my last example had nothing to do with fur coats, I was making an example of ilegal animal activities vs social problems. a crime is a crime, it doesn't matter what your social problems are): Animal torture is a cruel thing and isn't justifiable even for poorer people, unless they have no other option to survive (people in an isolated cold mountain that have no other ways to have a protection from cold, etc). You'd be quite narrow minded to even think hunting would be the only activity those people in china could do to earn money. They resort to that because obviously, the money of their fur hunting comes easier than if they were to engage in other righteous activities instead. It is the same as what happen to drugs traffic.

I'm closing this thread because you were nice enough to push it to polictical bounds though. It would get polictical sooner or later anyway