[CHARTS + SALES] GUILTY -- ORICON STYLE

[TITANIC]

i hope both version cd and CD+DVD guilty can reac top 5 after offical sales

[KuroixShiroi_Namida]

OMG this thread is full of suspense XD!

[Lee_Hamasaki]

yeah^^ we need another site with better information

[andre2907]

Originally Posted by Neil

I hope you're right!

Can I just say, the OMG PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS COMING OUT ON NEW YEARS DAY theory, is bull.
People in Japan, KNOW how the release system works. Even people in different countries online, who have never been to Japan knew it would come out with all the December 26th releases, which meant it will be in stores on Xmas day, as they get released a day earlier than the official date.

Christmas day is not a national holiday, all the shops are open. Even if some people have a special meal, it does not stop them going out and shopping.

I don't know why people are so surprised by the first day sales. She only released 2 singles, the combined total of which was what, 260k? just a little over? That's absurd for Ayu standards. If her singles don't sell, her album won't either.

And the reason I believe she won't get the weekly #1, is because Ayumi is extremely front-loaded. After her first week, her sales plummet. If it was just one week, she might just get it, but as it's 2 weeks, EXILE and kobokuru have a significant chance to overtake. Not only do they have the extra days advantage over GUILTY, they are also more consistent sales. EXILE's old albums have all risen up in the charts due to their surge in popularity lately, and need I remind anyone about the beast that is ALL SINGLES BEST?

Exactly. Ayu albums are being released before the official release date for years, even in her peak, and her first week were always big, so that's a lame excuse for the bad sales. Plus, Japan isn't a religious country and Christmas is a day for you to go out with your lover and get gifts for your boyfriend and maybe your parents. It isn't a big national holiday like in the rest of the world, the stores are still open and people go on with their lifes.

Oh, and one more thing: IF the sales on the "official" release dates are higher it's not because it was the advertised release date (everyone in Japan knows the album is released a few days before. This has been happening since Ayu released her first album so stop with this stupid and annoying excuse) but because it's the day of the HUGE sales, when everybody go shopping.

[andre2907]

Originally Posted by cttncandy

If Ayu is happy with this album (which I know she is from what she has said in interviews) then I am happy as well. But the fact is that this album is not very commercial if you know what I mean. I am not expecting high sales or longevity in the charts. Sorry guys, but we have to be realistic! =(

I just feel the need to point out something: just because Ayu say she is totally satisfied with her album and think it's her best one, doesn't mean she really feels that way. Geez, she's PROMOTING the album, that's what she is SUPPOSED to say, what every single artist is supposed to say. It's not like she's going to admit it she find the album *****ty compared to her last one or something...

Originally Posted by ayu DIOR

I hope her #1 streak doesn't go down. I mean Mariah Carey still gets #1s and she's been around since the 1990s. She has 17 I think right?

Mmm... did you forget the part of her career where everything she released flopped badly, she had a nervous breakdown, etc?

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

I guess one of the main reasons is because Japan still has pretty good sales + high prices, so why bother?

No, the reason is because Japanese is a language that won't get them, the artists, very far beyond Asia.

[criminal]

Originally Posted by asongforXX

Sex doesn't even sell.

Originally Posted by Peger

Except her sexy songs don't sell well - her cutesy songs & ballads do.

I was being sarcastic. D:

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by andre2907

I just feel the need to point out something: just because Ayu say she is totally satisfied with her album and think it's her best one, doesn't mean she really feels that way. Geez, she's PROMOTING the album, that's what she is SUPPOSED to say, what every single artist is supposed to say. It's not like she's going to admit it she find the album *****ty compared to her last one or something....

ayu said she liked the album not that it's her best, and I think she said the truth or it would sound crappy, which is really far from it.

[andre2907]

One thing: everyone who bought the album and isn't in Japan, your order WON'T COUNT on the Oricon charts. Oricon only tracks sales in Japan which means you have to buy a copy in Japan or have your album delivered by some online store to an address in Japan. You'll be helping Ayu, of course, but not her position in Oricon.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

ayu said she liked the album not that it's her best, and I think she said the truth or it would sound crappy, which is really far from it.

I'm just saying it's quite naive to think she would say anything that isn't "I loved this album"

[ayumisrael]

Yeah but common sense says that naturally she wouldn't make an album she won't like... She might not like this one the best but definitly she likes/liked them all when she did them.

[andre2907]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Yeah but common sense says that naturally she wouldn't make an album she won't like

Not really. She ALWAYS release an album a year and sometimes it's not possible to do something you're 100% satisfied in such a short period. I mean, lots and lots of the (m)u songs were covers, etc.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by andre2907

Not really. She ALWAYS release an album a year and sometimes it's not possible to do something you're 100% satisfied in such a short period. I mean, lots and lots of the (m)u songs were covers, etc.

ayu said she likes that sweetbox album so she took some compositions, they don't count as covers 'cause the lyrics were written by ayu, and the reason ayu took the compositions it's because she liked them.

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by andre2907

One thing: everyone who bought the album and isn't in Japan, your order WON'T COUNT on the Oricon charts. Oricon only tracks sales in Japan which means you have to buy a copy in Japan or have your album delivered by some online store to an address in Japan. You'll be helping Ayu, of course, but not her position in Oricon.

I think someone has emailed cdjapan a long time ago, and yes the sales from cdjapan do count to the oricon chart.

[andre2907]

Originally Posted by bluegie

I think someone has emailed cdjapan a long time ago, and yes the sales from cdjapan do count to the oricon chart.

I still don't believe they do. I mean, they CAN count IF your delivering address is in Japan but the WHOLE point of Oricon is to track sales IN Japan. Like Billboard only tracks sales in the US, even if sites like Amazon sell to other countries.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

ayu said she likes that sweetbox album so she took some compositions, they don't count as covers 'cause the lyrics were written by ayu, and the reason ayu took the compositions it's because she liked them.

I guess what people do not realize is that Ayu is a human being not perfect. I do not think she can produce an album she think it's perfect every year, but it's what AVEX expects of her, it's probably a contractual obligation. One year is a very short time to produce, believe it or not.

[Lee_Hamasaki]

cdjapan count in oricon only if your address is in Japan..if it is outside japan you help ayu (the cd cost =) but u don't help her position in oricon

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by andre2907

I still don't believe they do. I mean, they CAN count IF your delivering address is in Japan but the WHOLE point of Oricon is to track sales IN Japan. Like Billboard only tracks sales in the US, even if sites like Amazon sell to other countries.


I guess what people do not realize is that Ayu is a human being not perfect. I do not think she can produce an album she think it's perfect every year, but it's what AVEX expects of her, it's probably a contractual obligation. One year is a very short time to produce, believe it or not.

Of course she's not perfect and I doubt she herself think that her albums are perfrect but I do know she likes any of them (not at best or perfect rate but she likes them), or else she wouldn't do them. I think she's just being satsfied saying I like this album a lot and such rather than let's promote and say I like it like everytime.

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by criminal

I was being sarcastic. D:

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I read all of your comments and I COULD tell you were being sarcastic! Relax Kumiko fans, no one here is bashing Kumiko nor are we talking that much about her. Everyone is too worried about her sells and stuff to even think of her.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Yeah but common sense says that naturally she wouldn't make an album she won't like... She might not like this one the best but definitly she likes/liked them all when she did them.

Exactly. Why would you sell something that you don't like? Ayumi doesn't really care for her sells...not at all. I quote, "Music is my life! My life is my music!" That was said by Ayumi. Even if Ayumi doesn't sell well, her music will still be heard by millions of people and she still will be loved. Ayumi has nothing else to prove with sells.....she has done her part to becoming a legend in Japan.....even if it wasn't intentional.

I guess what people do not realize is that Ayu is a human being not perfect.

It's not like you haven't thought of you fave asian artist either. So stop frontin'! I think Hikki's and BoA's 'music' are perfect. Everything they release are perfect to my ears and I know that they make BIG mistakes...especially Hikki!

I do not think she can produce an album she think it's perfect every year, but it's what AVEX expects of her, it's probably a contractual obligation.

It's hard to say what AVEX wants for her but IMO, AVEX doesn't care if she likes it or not. They just want to sell it to get that money!

One year is a very short time to produce, believe it or not.

Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. Hikki is releasing two albums next year. She hasn't done that since 2004. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.

[Lee_Hamasaki]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

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Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. Hikki is releasing two albums next year. She hasn't done that since 2004. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.

and? here we talk about ayu..or we have to nominate all artists in the world?

[JinHamasaki]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. Hikki is releasing two albums next year. She hasn't done that since 2004. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.

And Ayu released.....3 this year.

[ayu_fan929]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.

I don't think BoA has done that before...

^ LOVE & HONESTY and K-pop Selection were both released in 2004.

I guess that counts.