a-nation '08 setlists + other info

[njanjayrp]

People! have you ever heard the studio version of Grateful Days (plus the KU in hajimeyuKU does sound different and LIVE)?There is no reason to lip-sync an a-nation performance especially not a song such as this one. And if that's not enough, Ayu screwed up her live perfs. (when it comes to singing) too many times to care about this one, so there is no reason as the performance wasn't that tiring. And after the dumb comments about her lip-syncing Marionette I am pretty sure most of the people don't even listen properly and make false statements.

[Linoa62]

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[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

People! have you ever heard the studio version of Grateful Days (plus the KU in hajimeyuKU does sound different and LIVE)?There is no reason to lip-sync an a-nation performance especially not a song such as this one. And if that's not enough, Ayu screwed up her live perfs. (when it comes to singing) too many times to care about this one, so there is no reason as the performance wasn't that tiring. And after the dumb comments about her lip-syncing Marionette I am pretty sure most of the people don't even listen properly and make false statements.

Lip synching is very sophisticated these days. People don't just use the recording of the song anymore. I've seen her live in person several times and I'm sure that she sang live all the time in AT 04, AT 05, and CDL 06-07. After that though, at A-Nation 07, I was pretty certain that she lip synched 1 Love and Until that Day. And during AT 08, I still think that Marionette and Don't Leave Me Alone were lipsynched as well. (it should be obvious just watching the news clip that Marionette is lip synched.) She is wearing a head set mic so you should at least hear breath sounds (which get edited out on the dvd), but you hear none plus it is basically physically impossible to jerk your torso around that much through out the entire song and not have it show in your voice at all.

Also there is the infamous time from CDL 05/06 when during Theme of A-Nation on the tv broadcast there is a close up of her face where it is pretty clear she is mouthing the wrong word and a different sound is coming out. (and Theme of A-Nation is certainly a song you would think she wouldn't have to lip synch)

I think we, as fans often just can't look at this subject objectively because we so badly want her to be singing live all of the time and it clouds our judgment about the likely reality. I think it's ok that she occasionally lip syncs, but it does suck that it seems to be happening more than before. I'd rather hear Ayu sound kinda bad than not real.

Like I said before though, this particular performance of GD is up in the air and we can't judge fully unless we see the whole thing. But, I also think that it is certain she has indeed occasionally lip synched before.

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Also there is the infamous time from CDL 05/06 when during Theme of A-Nation on the tv broadcast there is a close up of her face where it is pretty clear she is mouthing the wrong word and a different sound is coming out. (and Theme of A-Nation is certainly a song you would think she wouldn't have to lip synch)

But... in that time, you could hear the microphone breaths and the weird noises her mouth makes... the with the spit and stuff. I am not convinced that she lipsynced that song... cause there just isn't a reason to lipsync the song... she had 2 minutes to rest before the song, and she sounded the same throughout the entire concert, so ... we will never know what's really to happen at that concert, but I think... like, in the second news feature, when they show they wow yeah from greatful days, she sounds really shouting. I think it's really impossible for her to be lipsyncing Greatful days, because the mixing sounds the same as mirrorcle world and boys and girls, no reverb and no echo, you can just clearly hear her voice..

Plus, the shouting before the song sounds exactly the same kind of vocal quality as the singing... so I don't believe it.

But who knows, maybe she has so advanced methods of doing it... ahaha. Or maybe she used backing track?~

Well, whatever the case is, she still had fun, and it looks really super~energy, so I still can't wait to see it.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by maikaru

But... in that time, you could hear the microphone breaths and the weird noises her mouth makes... the with the spit and stuff. I am not convinced that she lipsynced that song... cause there just isn't a reason to lipsync the song... she had 2 minutes to rest before the song, and she sounded the same throughout the entire concert, so ...

So, whats the explanation then? It was shown live and there didn't appear to be any kind of glitch going on. Also, I haven't watched it in a long time but I don't remember there being breath sounds or anything, but if there were, it's easily explainable because people do indeed make sure to keep those in when they record versions of songs to lip sync to now. One of my friends is a professional singer/performer - he's Japanese actually so we often watch all kinds of jpop music shows together and it's honestly so annoying because he always points out who is lip synching and who is not and I'm just like shut up and let me watch already. haha Anyways, even people who I think sound totally live he'll say are most likely lip synching and that lip synching has become extremely sophisticated over the last few years.

btw, I'm sure Ayu has never lip synced on any of her tv performances such as music station, cdtv, etc etc. (too risky maybe?)

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Also, I haven't watched it in a long time but I don't remember there being breath sounds or anything, but if there were, it's easily explainable because people do indeed make sure to keep those in when they record versions of songs to lip sync to now.

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btw, I'm sure Ayu has never lip synced on any of her tv performances such as music station, cdtv, etc etc. (too risky maybe?)

I mean, even if you watch the dvd version, you can hear the microphone sounds there too... the hard k sounds, like the rest of the performance of Countdown, I think it's realllllly so similar. But, yeah they could have done that too... whatever~ ahaha.

Anyways, I really liked that performance, regardless of lipsync or not ahaha~

And yeah, I don't think it's ALLOWED on them. Like, of course they can use a backing track for songs, like the chorus, but unless the artist states that they will be lipsyncing because of a dance, like KAT-TUN did for lips, the shows really want to keep their integrity.

I mean, how many times have we heard her so awful? LOL
So it's useless for her only to do it sometimes, and not others~

But anyways~ I feel like Greatful Days had a good performance, without lipsync, even though I hate that song. -_-;

Anyways, let's see what the rest of asia tour has to offer~~ ahaha.
I can't wait~ so much energy. I wanna go badly~~ T T uuu
I was reading the news about her performance~ "biggest energy."
It makes me happy~~~

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

So, whats the explanation then? It was shown live and there didn't appear to be any kind of glitch going on. Also, I haven't watched it in a long time but I don't remember there being breath sounds or anything, but if there were, it's easily explainable because people do indeed make sure to keep those in when they record versions of songs to lip sync to now. One of my friends is a professional singer/performer - he's Japanese actually so we often watch all kinds of jpop music shows together and it's honestly so annoying because he always points out who is lip synching and who is not and I'm just like shut up and let me watch already. haha Anyways, even people who I think sound totally live he'll say are most likely lip synching and that lip synching has become extremely sophisticated over the last few years.

btw, I'm sure Ayu has never lip synced on any of her tv performances such as music station, cdtv, etc etc. (too risky maybe?)

Well, in all fairness, breath sounds seem to be nonexistent in many Ayu lives nowadays tbh...

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, in all fairness, breath sounds seem to be nonexistent in many Ayu lives nowadays tbh...

Yeah, on the dvds, it's always like that - I'm sure because of avex editing. imo they definitely over editing AT07. If you are just watching the DVD and had no previous knowledge of Ayu, I'm sure it would seem like she is lip synching at least half the concert.

[Taru86]

Wow, I love all of the videos posted! And I think Ayu's voice sounds really good, and Greatful Days sounds awesome too! I love the way she sounds live Plus she looks great, and seems to have a lot of energy in her performances


(I really love the fact that these days it seems like people expect her to sound bad live, and the second she sounds 'good' they instantly claim she lip-syncs. But what ever, everyone has their own opinion..)

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Yeah, on the dvds, it's always like that - I'm sure because of avex editing. imo they definitely over editing AT07. If you are just watching the DVD and had no previous knowledge of Ayu, I'm sure it would seem like she is lip synching at least half the concert.

Well, not simply the DVDs,, but like TV versions too.

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Lip synching is very sophisticated these days. People don't just use the recording of the song anymore. I've seen her live in person several times and I'm sure that she sang live all the time in AT 04, AT 05, and CDL 06-07. After that though, at A-Nation 07, I was pretty certain that she lip synched 1 Love and Until that Day. And during AT 08, I still think that Marionette and Don't Leave Me Alone were lipsynched as well. (it should be obvious just watching the news clip that Marionette is lip synched.) She is wearing a head set mic so you should at least hear breath sounds (which get edited out on the dvd), but you hear none plus it is basically physically impossible to jerk your torso around that much through out the entire song and not have it show in your voice at all.

Also there is the infamous time from CDL 05/06 when during Theme of A-Nation on the tv broadcast there is a close up of her face where it is pretty clear she is mouthing the wrong word and a different sound is coming out. (and Theme of A-Nation is certainly a song you would think she wouldn't have to lip synch)

I think we, as fans often just can't look at this subject objectively because we so badly want her to be singing live all of the time and it clouds our judgment about the likely reality. I think it's ok that she occasionally lip syncs, but it does suck that it seems to be happening more than before. I'd rather hear Ayu sound kinda bad than not real.

Like I said before though, this particular performance of GD is up in the air and we can't judge fully unless we see the whole thing. But, I also think that it is certain she has indeed occasionally lip synched before.

Sorry?? IMO Marionette is REALLY not lipsynched. Just look at her mouth, the sound and listen to the vocals! It's soo live. If it was lip synched, at least she could make it sound better like when she lip synched 1 LOVE or evolution.

Nor is (don't) Leave me alone lip synched, in that particular news clip fragment. Plus, AT08 is the first concert since AT06 with evolution live. I think with this concert she didn't want to lip synch.

I wouldn't be surprised if decision was lip synched, though. She tends to do lip synching with her sexy dance songs.

Plus what's the big deal with lip synching anyway? It's like those things that you don't know for sure, so people keep guessing and guessing because they NEED to know, like human nature. But seriously as long as you don't notice it, how can it annoy you? You'd only become paranoid with every song, and end up with the conclusion that she only sings MUSIC STATION perfs live.

[Bad Wolf]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

People! have you ever heard the studio version of Grateful Days (plus the KU in hajimeyuKU does sound different and LIVE)?There is no reason to lip-sync an a-nation performance especially not a song such as this one. And if that's not enough, Ayu screwed up her live perfs. (when it comes to singing) too many times to care about this one, so there is no reason as the performance wasn't that tiring. And after the dumb comments about her lip-syncing Marionette I am pretty sure most of the people don't even listen properly and make false statements.

THIS.

So. Much. Word.