[ORICON] 59th NHK Kouhaku's Red and White team

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

Maybe saying honour towards Mr.Children wasn't the best thing but I'm standing by comments towards the others. The groups that I listed are the ones I find no enjoyment in their music. It's all my personal opinion. There's no reason to jump down someone's throat over one personal comment. I don't expect people to agree with me but going in the manner that you are going in is unacceptable.

I can see how that offended you. If someone something like that about Ayu, I would be. What I wouldn't do is make assumptions and act like my opinion is the definite answer. There's no point or satisfaction won in attacking someone the way you 2 have. Seriously, get over your damn selves.

My mistake on putting Aqua Timez under the Red Team. I was excitied to find that they would be attending Kouhaku.

Yes I find Perfume more talented than Morning Musume. I've heard A~chan and Nocchi sing without any electric distortions of any sort. Nocchi's singing ability is average but A~chan has a very pretty voice. I haven't heard Kashiyuka so I can't comment there.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Maybe saying honour towards Mr.Children wasn't the best thing but I'm standing by comments towards the others. The groups that I listed are the ones I find no enjoyment in their music. It's all my personal opinion. There's no reason to jump down someone's throat over one personal comment. I don't expect people to agree with me but going in the manner that you are going in is unacceptable.

I can see how that offended you. If someone something like that about Ayu, I would be. What I wouldn't do is make assumptions and act like my opinion is the definite answer. There's no point or satisfaction won in attacking someone the way you 2 have. Seriously, get over your damn selves.

My mistake on putting Aqua Timez under the Red Team. I was excitied to find that they would be attending Kouhaku.

Yes I find Perfume more talented than Morning Musume. I've heard A~chan and Nocchi sing without any electric distortions of any sort. Nocchi's singing ability is average but A~chan has a very pretty voice. I haven't heard Kashiyuka so I can't comment there.

I didn't mean to come off as attacking you and I do respect people opinions, but I respect them even more if they are informed, which really your first post does not come off as informed at all. Your post just gives the impression that you are dissing other artists that you really don't know much about or have ever given a fair shot to. (Trust me, it took me a looong time as well to realize how great Mr. Children are!) There is also such a thing as a balanced opinion that isn't insulting - which your post was to all artists involved.

You say that you listed those artists because you find no enjoyment in their music - well I don't find any enjoyment really in ET King or Exile either, but I wouldn't say that they are untalented.

As for Perfume - I've yet to see them do a song that is actually "live" anywhere, whereas Morning Musume performs live 95% of the time with the exception of a few tv performances here and there. That to me, makes them more talented by default than Perfume.(like I said though, I still enjoy Perfume's music anyways.) Nearly all of MM's voices are at least an acceptable level and some are actually very good and the ones considered the worst in the group have been improving tremendously. Also I find Perfume's dance to be extremely easy and something that doesn't exactly require a lot of talent in that department either, even if it still maybe something fun to watch.


PS. Thankyou Emiko.

And really random inconsequential thing that I just noticed: Greggerz and I joined the forum at the same time.