[News] 44th single: Days/GREEN & GREEN/Days (12/17 Release)

[ArchangelLegend]

Do you have the time, to listen to me whine... so now Greenday songs are stuck in my head. And that "so wet so tight" tag is stuck in my head too everytime I see this thread now.

I think every topic should have a random tag like "severely moderate weather" or "making your baby look younger", or anything unrelated that makes no sense. ^_^

Originally Posted by reixminako

I see that a lot of people here don't even understand basic lyrics

I don't know Japanese. ^_^ So I just listen and wait on how I react and feel about the music. Same goes when I watch a PV or a performance. As for the lyrics, I tend to read the translations later in hopes that I'm actually listening to something with meaning. Since I have rewritten some of Ayu's lyrics in English, I have I good idea on what they mean.

Regardless, I love eye candy! I mean who doesn't want to like to look at pretty and shiny and sexy and glamorous and everything-that-makes-your-eyes-go-pop things? O_O

[reixminako]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

How does caring about the PVs = not caring about the music and lyrics? In fact most people would argue the opposite that these days the PVs focus too much on a glamorous image and not enough on content...

Although, I don't agree with that, because I believe her pv's have always successfully put the message across. Together When... was just as poignant as Dearest and many, many others. What I meant to say is that people seem to be focused on the impact of the pv rather than the pv itself. I don't understand how people think that Marionette is overrated and I don't understand how people don't see the breathtaking beauty of JEWEL. People need to look past all that and just enjoy the damn video AND the song.

While I agree that Ayu's pvs are important for her career, they're not everything. By far they're not everything. I honestly don't think Ayu would have a career without her music and lyrics. Anyone can make a good pv with the right material. Not everyone can write heartfelt lyrics and music like Ayu does and I think that a lot of people don't seem to notice that as much, which is a shame considering that this is a place that calls itself Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai.

Originally Posted by ArchangelLegend

I don't know Japanese. ^_^ So I just listen and wait on how I react and feel about the music. Same goes when I watch a PV or a performance. As for the lyrics, I tend to read the translations later in hopes that I'm actually listening to something with meaning. Since I have rewritten some of Ayu's lyrics in English, I have I good idea on what they mean.

Regardless, I love eye candy! I mean who doesn't want to like to look at pretty and shiny and sexy and glamorous and everything-that-makes-your-eyes-go-pop things? O_O

At least you like the music, but I honestly think at least a minor understanding of Japanese should be required if you're listening to a song in Japanese. It's just my opinion, but I don't get how people can listen to songs in other language and say that they understand them just as well as people who actually know what the lyrics are saying.

My point here is that Ayumi Hamasaki is a lot about the lyrics. Her lyrics are her music most of the time! So it's just hard for me to understand how so many people can go without knowing a little Japanese on her behalf, especially since most translations can't really be trusted and are even "creatively enhanced" by a lot of translators.

[ayumixfan]

omgosh its like finally an ayu song that isn't rock SO HAPPY LOL ~! YAY ^^ I can't wait for the MV ^^ and Song

Ew "sp wet so tight" lol ~! thats gross if it means what I'm thinking XD

aww can we stop mentioning people's names? like I don't see the point in bringing up luv, DDD, and Ahno =( ~! That was unecessary and rude.

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by reixminako

What I'm seeing on this forum is a lot of people who just don't care about lyrics and music as much as image. Who cares if the pv isn't spectacular? Who cares if the cd doesn't get the #1 position? Who cares? What I really care about is the music, the lyrics and the emotion and hard work put into those things. I see that a lot of people here don't even understand basic lyrics and don't really pay attention to the meaning of the music and the meaning of much else. There are so many people obsessed with sales and image that they've all forgotten how to listen to and appreciate a damn good song. I think that's pretty tragic.

I agree, I think this forum has changed a lot from the first time I joined. Here people are becoming obsessed about very little things and you have to go through a lot of redudant stuff whenever you open threads like these. IN addition you get all of the threads "who ws ayu like kid" and similar plus an endless number of polls that goes in no direction. I used to all the time being able to go through "new posts" but now more and more I go directly to forums to avoid it. IMO it's fine to care about sales, but not to obsess like crazy and that without even relising it and that goes for anything (like we had those copycat threads a while ago..)

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by reixminako

Although, I don't agree with that, because I believe her pv's have always successfully put the message across. Together When... was just as poignant as Dearest and many, many others. What I meant to say is that people seem to be focused on the impact of the pv rather than the pv itself. I don't understand how people think that Marionette is overrated and I don't understand how people don't see the breathtaking beauty of JEWEL. People need to look past all that and just enjoy the damn video AND the song.

While I agree that Ayu's pvs are important for her career, they're not everything. By far they're not everything. I honestly don't think Ayu would have a career without her music and lyrics. Anyone can make a good pv with the right material. Not everyone can write heartfelt lyrics and music like Ayu does and I think that a lot of people don't seem to notice that as much, which is a shame considering that this is a place that calls itself Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai.

I don't think anyone is really arguing against what you are saying though. I think it's pretty basic that what matters most is the song and the lyrics. Its not a bad thing though to want a good PV to go with it. Or what if the songs turn out to be not so good? Great PVs can enhance average songs.

You are also assuming a lot by implying that people not happy with her PVs must not speak much Japanese. I'm not really sure how exactly one correlates with the other actually. Sure, there are some people on this forum that probably have not read her interviews or all of her song lyrics and are primarily into her for the image but all I know is that I'm not one of them...and I think that the vast majority of the people here do care about the music and lyrics.

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by Ayumiko

I would die for another RAINBOW pv.

I agree that RAINBOW pv is excellent in providing its concept... Somehow when I first saw the pv (well when it was released), immediately I thought it was lacking of something amazing. Just like HEAVEN, I pretty like the concept of the pv, somehow it was lacking something as well (I guess fairyland used up lots of the budgets back then LOL). So, RAINBOW is good, but not in my amazing ayu pv list , cuz the first impression of the pv has already imprinted in my mind..

[MissElin_]

^Haha lol. And I who thinks that RAINBOW PV and HEAVEN PV is one of the greatest! 100% emotions and nothing more.

[bluegie]

Yes, HEAVEN and RAINBOW did trigger people's emotion. However, for me ayu was on the top of the game while she released RAINBOW, and her fashion was like very very trendy back then. But when RAINBOW came out I felt it wasn't that up to standard. HEAVEN was too simply (in terms of emmn.. how it was directed). I kinda love both pvs, at the same time there are something I dun like.

But tbh, these two pvs can smash out 80% of her recent pvs, which don't have too much concept at all.

[MissElin_]

Originally Posted by bluegie

HEAVEN was too simply (in terms of emmn.. how it was directed). I kinda love both pvs, at the same time there are something I dun like.

But tbh, these two pvs can smash out 80% of her recent pvs, which don't have too much concept at all.

Well you know, sometimes simple comes out the best. I love artists who makes one-clip-music-videos. They always are great cuz there is soooo hard to do a whole vid in just one clip. Offcourse thats my personal oppinion after all. But there is something great with one-clip-videos. The just deliver a very special kind of emotion. And for the song HEAVEN was the PV just was perfect. HEAVEN is on my top 5 with no question!

[bluegie]

when you talk about one-clip-music-videos, the first one attacked my brain was wannabe LOL.
Hmmn, choosing between HEAVEN and Daybreak (both one-clip-music-videos), I think I prefer Daybreak even tho her image is quite scary . I still watch HEAVEN tho when I'm in the mood .

PS: I just notice I had an error (at least) in the previous msg... it should be simple, not simply... LOL..

[rakeru]

yay! i was feeling like the only person who really loved Daybreak. it never gets boring for a second!

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

I agree, I don't know what people mean by "older PVs" when they say they prefer them over the new ones... Because A Song for XX and LOVEppears PVs were... not very good ><; I mean back in the day when you first saw them, maybe... (like when I first saw Fly high I thought it was so fun, not so much now...) but compared to her new ones, I don't think they hold a candle... Sure her new ones aren't perfect, but I do think they're better. And I also think/hope GREEN and Days will be another two great PVs.

I guess if you're more into how it was shot, those PVs would seem better... to be honest, I don't pay much attention to that stuff unless it's hard to not notice how bad/good it is...

Yea, I agree. E.g. SURREAL is seen as a classic PV (..I think), and I agree it has some artistic concepts, but it's basically a toned down version of BLUE BIRD with Ayu standing at random locations. =3

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

More than the director, it's Ayu over the top facial expression in MW that almost ruin the PV for me. Seriously, I have to laugh when she is walking in the trench coat; no way that can be taken seriously.

Mirrocle World was actually Kazuyoshi Shimomura. Takahide Ishii did such gems as Startin', Born to Be, and Blue Bird. However he did also do Momentum, so he does have the capacity to not be total crap, but his track record isn't that good. Although, Momentum is good because the story/concept is good, not that his direction is really that good.

That's why even Ayu's somewhat simple PVs from the past like Carols or even evolution etc I still find to be very good. They may not have a great story, but those pvs were always shot extremely well. (the cinematography and what not)

Haha, I love the facial expressions, because they're kinda funny and over the top, yea. XD But after three PVs with them let's have something else now. :3

LOL, yea, Take has some awful PVs. XD Wataru has done all her expensive PVs (my name's WOMEN, JEWEL, fairyland) so I'm hoping he'll be doing this one, too. Or was a different direction at the set in Shanghai?

[maikaru]

I think because people see Loveppears, Duty, I am, etc. as the "Classic songs," they will like the PV more simply because of that.

Like evolution is nothing but an upbeat version of flyhigh.
Without the audience.
And only one ayumi.

It's not bad, but I think it's not fair to say that her pvs in the past were so godlike, and then now so bad.
It sounds so confucian to say it like that. ahaha.

Like, to me, Dearest, Rainbow, Momentum, JEWEL, evolution, SURREAL, they were all about glamourous, star images.
They had storylines of course, but you know like, they also had that glamour glamour sort of feel.
To me, at least.

Her pvs now are really NO DIFFERENT than the pvs she used to make.
Mirrorcle World is a darker version (and more twisted / sexy) of Dearest, her running from people trying to control her.
Marionette's storyline and visuals remind me of alterna, Ladies Night.
don't leave me alone reminds me of any PV where she has had ugly clothes.

Like, look at Depend on You, You, trust, poker face.
Yeah sure, maybe they have storyline, but I prefer Mirrorcle World over combination of all of those.

Like, Boys & Girls, to me, was her first glamour pv.
All it was was her. In the yellow rooms.
That's it.

I think it's just people wanting to go back to songs that were in the olden days, like confucians. w~
Because obviously, if you don't feel as strongly about the song, you won't like the PV.
So I just feel that even though I don't really like Dearest PV,
Many people do because it IS Dearest, the song.

[ayumisrael]

Some of her newer PVs are godlike in comparison to some of her old PVs and vice versa tbh.
There are newer PVs which I find more interesting and more meaningful than some classic songs PVs.

I think it's just people wanting to go back to songs that were in the olden days, like confucians. w~
Because obviously, if you don't feel as strongly about the song, you won't like the PV.
So I just feel that even though I don't really like Dearest PV,
Many people do because it IS Dearest, the song.

Exactly, sometimes I also wonder if people want her to make new stuff and not PVs or things that she already did.

[waterballoon]

Is this the first time that a new single thread had so many replies and was so highly anticipated? Hahaha.

But in any case, I agree 100% with ayumisrael, that some of her newer PVs were godlike compared to her older ones, and vice versa. Her PVs never really lost that 'Ayu' feel and aura to me, so there isn't anything that I can "pick on". I am that kind of person who would watch Ayu's PV, and try to make up some "theory" or storyline to it... (just like how I concluded that About You's PV was directed to the haters, when parodies of her older album covers (man in vines who looked like I am...) were flashed throughout the video)

It's virtually impossible for Ayu to release PVs that suit everyone's tastes. For example, I never really liked evolution's PV, cos I found it to be too bland. But when I read masa's interpretation of it on his website, I didn't know that evolution's PV could be read like that. I accepted his interpretation, though I didn't agree with it.

Be it Ayu, Hikki, Namie or Kuu, they can never always release PVs which everyone will like. One man's meat is another man's poison.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by maikaru

I think because people see Loveppears, Duty, I am, etc. as the "Classic songs," they will like the PV more simply because of that.

Like evolution is nothing but an upbeat version of flyhigh.
Without the audience.
And only one ayumi.

It's not bad, but I think it's not fair to say that her pvs in the past were so godlike, and then now so bad.
It sounds so confucian to say it like that. ahaha.

Like, to me, Dearest, Rainbow, Momentum, JEWEL, evolution, SURREAL, they were all about glamourous, star images.
They had storylines of course, but you know like, they also had that glamour glamour sort of feel.
To me, at least.

Her pvs now are really NO DIFFERENT than the pvs she used to make.
Mirrorcle World is a darker version (and more twisted / sexy) of Dearest, her running from people trying to control her.
Marionette's storyline and visuals remind me of alterna, Ladies Night.
don't leave me alone reminds me of any PV where she has had ugly clothes.

Like, look at Depend on You, You, trust, poker face.
Yeah sure, maybe they have storyline, but I prefer Mirrorcle World over combination of all of those.

Like, Boys & Girls, to me, was her first glamour pv.
All it was was her. In the yellow rooms.
That's it.

I think it's just people wanting to go back to songs that were in the olden days, like confucians. w~
Because obviously, if you don't feel as strongly about the song, you won't like the PV.
So I just feel that even though I don't really like Dearest PV,
Many people do because it IS Dearest, the song.

I completely agree , but like Ayumisrael said, it works both ways.

On a personal note, I was mad Boys & Girls PV didn't have boys and girls xD;.... I'm not sure I'll ever get over that, no matter what the concept of the video was for haha.

[*Petit*]

^
I agree, I think B&G is one of the PVs I can never really watch, the song is so good but I get bored with the PV I'd rather get up and dance.

I'm also a little confused, what would be "Old" and "new". Is the stuff rorm (m)u "old" already? And in that case, there is a great diversity of her old PVs..

I think most of her first PVs were very lame, I never really watch them anymore because I think it' more entertaining to listen to the songs without those visuals. I think the first truly nice PV ayu had that was actually appears or maybe Fly High or SURREAL. There's def. a change in the style of her PVs no matter if you like it or not from very simply PVs with few participants to bigger sets and budgets between and Duty and I am... After I am most of her PVs have been more in the format of a professional diva. Most of her PVs after this have been rather good IMO one way or another, even if there are some I don't like as much as the others.

It's impossible to say how GREEN will turn out before we've seen it. Of course if you prefer to make up your mind that it's bad up front you're welcome, but I think you'll no matter what be in for a surprise. Personally to me it's not always about director or budget, nor scenery or story, but a combination of the above and a little something that manages to touch you beyond that what the music can do alone and that is very rare.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

It's impossible to say how GREEN will turn out before we've seen it. Of course if you prefer to make up your mind that it's bad up front you're welcome, but I think you'll no matter what be in for a surprise. Personally to me it's not always about director or budget, nor scenery or story, but a combination of the above and a little something that manages to touch you beyond that what the music can do alone and that is very rare.

I so hope GREEN accomplishes that! But what I'm REALLY looking forward to is how Days will turn out... ballad or up-beat I hope the PV is just as great as I think GREEN will be...

[freedreamer]

for all we know...Days could be this experimental track hahaha

currently she has Greatful Days and until that Day..., which are both fsat songs haha

[jbrat2219]

I hope it's like until that Day..., I remember when I heard that song and I felt this amazing sensation.