Hamasaki Ayumi and Avex face investigation by Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department

[pchan1986]

*sigh* they just want some mula. but yea her staff shouldve had this prepared. man these people, its not like anyone was ran over during her visit (cough-walmart)

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by pchan1986

*sigh* they just want some mula. but yea her staff shouldve had this prepared. man these people, its not like anyone was ran over during her visit (cough-walmart)

Yeah, but who knows, someone could have suffered an accident or the traffic jam could have made it impossible for ambulances passing by to go further. The fact "nothing happned" (as far as we know) doesn't mean you can go around doing such things that can put others under risk. that's like shooting with a gun on the street and saying you aren't guilty because nobody got hurt by the bullets (of course this is a stretch and more serious/threatening example, but yunno..) This was really a irresponsible move.

[Kingdom]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Yeah, but who knows, someone could have suffered an accident or the traffic jam could have made it impossible for ambulances passing by to go further. This was really a irresponsible move.

hmmm you have a really good point!

then again this is avex we are talking about, when do they ever care about anyone other than their company?

[ayumisrael]

We still don't know if ayu said this thing, and even if she said it.
If I would be in that position I might have been saying the same.

Why does she need to send application to be 2-3 minutes in a -public- place?

I doubt avex would really let her have any illegal events, it would make them a bad name so the whole thing sounds a bit strange (and that the "blame" is purely over ayu).

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Yeah, but who knows, someone could have suffered an accident or the traffic jam could have made it impossible for ambulances passing by to go further. The fact "nothing happned" (as far as we know) doesn't mean you can go around doing such things that can put others under risk. that's like shooting with a gun on the street and saying you aren't guilty because nobody got hurt by the bullets (of course this is a stretch and more serious/threatening example, but yunno..) This was really a irresponsible move.

But she go to airports and they get filled with the crowd there is also could have happened some random thing to some random person and the rush of people could block anything that happen, passages inside the airport and such. Does she really need to give applications for every flight she has in japan or HK and Taiwan to have the airport for few minutes until she goes out?

I find it wierd that they post it a month afterwards.
Also if it was so illegal how come the police didn't do anything on the same day?

This is one of the most awkward cases I have heard of (on the newspaper behalf anyway).
If it would be so serious the police would do something about it on the same day and we wouldn't get newspaper reports about it a month after. How ridiculous.

When kuu had that scandal for example, the newspaper and news were filled on the same evening/a day after.

Originally Posted by gothicayu

i totally agree +its not like she was just walking . she went their in a commercial prupose to sell her book.even if she wanted to keep it as a surpised she could have still ask permission to the police . its not because she is famous that she is on top of the law. THIS IS WRONG.8000 is an awfull lot ... imagine the people that needed to go to work on that day and arrived late because of her .

The police that "went" there to stop the event?
Since I don't remember there was a police, or that the police said anything about it.

[gothicayu]

The police that "went" there to stop the event?
Since I don't remember there was a police, or that the police said anything about it.[/QUOTE]

i never said the police went theer to stop teh event or anything. you need to read it clearly lol; im just saying her or staff should have send an application or a notice about this event.

it would have been betetr organized with the help of the police around it to control the circulation and the poeple . thats all im saying .

yes ayu goes to airport and there is fans waitting for her but not 800 . they are between 30 and a 100 maximum because when she goes to the airport its not announced +there is a lot of control in the airport and already police man there , so if there is any problem there is poeple to act in that case ( it was not the case in shibuya, people could have get hurt...)

about the police i wonder if they werent waitting to get enough complains or something to open an investigation, maybe thats why they open it so late .
that nobody will know untill they do an other official publication in the newspaper.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by gothicayu

i never said the police went theer to stop teh event or anything. you need to read it clearly lol; im just saying her or staff should have send an application or a notice about this event.

it would have been betetr organized with the help of the police around it to control the circulation and the poeple . thats all im saying .

yes ayu goes to airport and there is fans waitting for her but not 800 . they are between 30 and a 100 maximum because when she goes to the airport its not announced +there is a lot of control in the airport and already police man there , so if there is any problem there is poeple to act in that case ( it was not the case in shibuya, people could have get hurt...)

about the police i wonder if they werent waitting to get enough complains or something to open an investigation, maybe thats why they open it so late .
that nobody will know untill they do an other official publication in the newspaper.

An application to be in a public place?
Even if she is famous she is still human being and a citizen and she has the right to go to everywhere she wants in public, Japan is still a democratic country.

Also they did announce that there will be event and even ayu mistakenly (since it needed to be a surprise) hint in her blog that she will be there and the post was up for few good hours, they could still do something about it before the event.

If there would be a word of the mixture strange and awkward, that's how the whole cases sounds, at least from the evidences that there are now and from how it looks.

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

last time i checked she's a human being, who are allowed to walk anywhere they like. since when do they need permission? i mean even if there was permission, do they honestly think that people wouldn't have done the same thing?

and fyi, the police in Japan are basically USELESS. if you came here, you'd know. they don't interfere with anything! there's countless stories of the police watching men beat up women and not do anything because they don't want to interfere. the police even came to one of my friends parties to ask them to be quiet and asked for my friends ID's (who were drunk) and my friends said "no!!!" and the police just nodded and walked away and nothing ever happened again. seriously.

That bad? XD
Though when tsuyoshi from SMAP got naked in that public park when they got the call they came fast to arrest him lol. Maybe it was that serious for them. =P

[gothicayu]

AYU SAN -----> i totally agree with you. movie , event or anything that can disturb the peace in the streets needs permission.

CREAYUMI ---->im not worried either this case will be closed with a lot of money on the table. avex have more than enought to keep any scandal of any of their artist quiet for a longgggggggg time .

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

An application to be in a public place?
Even if she is famous she is still human being and a citizen and she has the right to go to everywhere she wants in public, Japan is still a democratic country.

That bad? XD
Though when tsuyoshi from SMAP got naked in that public park when they got the call they came fast to arrest him lol. Maybe it was that serious for them. =P

i didnt say that ..... again you make me say what i didnt say LOLLLL the way you turn it is hilarious. its not like im going againt any body right lol
not an application to be in public place but an application to hold an event in public place .of course she can walk anywhere she wants , of course she can do watever she wants . i dont really cares where ayu walk lol all i meant is IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOLD AN EVENT AND YOU KNOW IT OR YOU COMPANY KNOWS IT ,shouldnt you have the decency to prevent someone that it might be crowded , or something might be going on ?
she wasnt walking , she had a full stage and she went to promote her book.
she always do those secret christmas concert in the street and her company always prevent autorities about it . so why this one was an exeption ?

thats the only thing i can't understand .

i remember in japan some schools are holding small shows in the street ( and even though they are not famous) they still have to ask permission for those kind of show .

i thnk its not even a problem of ayu being famous or not . its not even a problem with ayu . i just think if artist or anyobody have to hold any kind of event ( and they expect a lot of peoples ) than they should at leats make an announcement or prevent the police or not even the police but those circulation poeple to unclog the roads

about smap . did he really got naked ??????? i never heard about that story ? what happen exactly ?it sounds pretty funny . he must have been more than drunk .

and ps : guys its not because people have different opinion that they are anti ayu or mean to ayu. we are all on ahs for the one and same reason . we are all fans of ayu just in different ways .

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by gothicayu

AYU SAN -----> i totally agree with you. movie , event or anything that can disturb the peace in the streets needs permission.



i didnt say that ..... again you make me say what i didnt say LOLLLL the way you turn it is hilarious. its not like im going againt any body right lol
not an application to be in public place but an application to hold an event in public place .of course she can walk anywhere she wants , of course she can do watever she wants . i dont really cares where ayu walk lol all i meant is IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOLD AN EVENT AND YOU KNOW IT OR YOU COMPANY KNOWS IT ,shouldnt you have the decency to prevent someone that it might be crowded , or something might be going on ?
she wasnt walking , she had a full stage and she went to promote her book.
she always do those secret christmas concert in the street and her company always prevent autorities about it . so why this one was an exeption ?.

lol, I didn't say that you said it, I just sometimes add some things in context. XD
If there needed to be an application, as you said the company of the artist should send it, then why are they even accusing ayu and not avex trax? xD
Full stage and promoting in a public place is still the same as just walking in it, the people would come to see her even if she wouldn't stand the 2-3 minutes she stood there so there isn't really a difference, the people would still stop there.

Originally Posted by gothicayu

thats the only thing i can't understand . .

I don't understand it too since everywhere she went, shooting PVs outdoors or in public places for example in Japan, in Shanghai, in New York, in Paris, in Los Angeles, in Hawaii wherever there were never problems with applications or things of that sort with ayu.

Originally Posted by gothicayu

i remember in japan some schools are holding small shows in the street ( and even though they are not famous) they still have to ask permission for those kind of show .

i thnk its not even a problem of ayu being famous or not . its not even a problem with ayu . i just think if artist or anyobody have to hold any kind of event ( and they expect a lot of peoples ) than they should at leats make an announcement or prevent the police or not even the police but those circulation poeple to unclog the roads .

They did announce about that event and we even knew about it here on AHS before it occured of course.

Originally Posted by gothicayu

about smap . did he really got naked ??????? i never heard about that story ? what happen exactly ?it sounds pretty funny . he must have been more than drunk .

and ps : guys its not because people have different opinion that they are anti ayu or mean to ayu. we are all on ahs for the one and same reason . we are all fans of ayu just in different ways .

xD Though it's a bit off topic Yes, tsuyoshi from SMAP got drunk and went to a public park where he started to dance, and get naked. Someone who saw him called the police and they went to arrest him and when they got him he asked them "what's wrong with being naked?" and a few hours later all of the japanese news websites, newspapers and TV reports in japan were filled about this incident.. All of the activities for him stopped for a week but after a week everything got back to normal with him.


I agree with the last part you wrote. =D

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

We still don't know if ayu said this thing, and even if she said it.
If I would be in that position I might have been saying the same.

Why does she need to send application to be 2-3 minutes in a -public- place?

I doubt avex would really let her have any illegal events, it would make them a bad name so the whole thing sounds a bit strange (and that the "blame" is purely over ayu).



But she go to airports and they get filled with the crowd there is also could have happened some random thing to some random person and the rush of people could block anything that happen, passages inside the airport and such. Does she really need to give applications for every flight she has in japan or HK and Taiwan to have the airport for few minutes until she goes out?

What!? When she goes to airports, I'm sure they most likely make a report from it beforehand, so that proper security can be held. No wonder the press knows when ayu is going to ariive on airports a few days earlier. You can't really compare both situations. If ayu wants to walk freely the way she wants, she should give up being a celebrity. I'd expect her to be mature enough to know that stardom has its price, so hopefully that wasn't really her reply.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

I find it wierd that they post it a month afterwards.
Also if it was so illegal how come the police didn't do anything on the same day?

This is one of the most awkward cases I have heard of (on the newspaper behalf anyway).
If it would be so serious the police would do something about it on the same day and we wouldn't get newspaper reports about it a month after. How ridiculous.

Maybe the whole news is fake, but if it were true, it wouldn't be nonsense. You don't need to arrest people on spot to consider that a certain activity broke the laws. For example, if I get a fine for disrespecting driving laws, I'll often receive the fine a month after (and will only have to pay it then). Also, waht she did probably went through a police report and enquire to check if what she did was considered illegal or not, and now the sentence has come. That's not an unusual situation in police. In my case, when I worked in army, some illegal activities made by certain privates would take a week or two in order for the whole situation to be investigated and only then a sentence would be placed upon. As I've said, the fact you don't arrest someone on spot is far from a proof that they didn't do anything illegal.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

The opposite, she is just a human being and she wants to be normal like everyone else, she doesn't want all that divaish protection and special things and treatments like "look I'm coming everyone get far away from me I want to walk here I want to walk there so no one will be here go away, spread shooo oh and if anyone will do anything stupid the guards will punish you!" full of guards and stuff when she goes out. But still it wasn't her job to ask for a permission and it's wierd she is being blamed for that.

If she wants to be a normal regular human being, she should quit the massive concerts, all magazine appearances, all her divaish obsession of being the latest fashion trend, etc. Her reply only shows two things to me: she's either extremely naive and immature, or on the other hand not a very sincere/honest person. I personally don't understand how someone wants to have a normal life and still lives in diva paradise. Makes no sense I personally hope "her reply" was made up by the tabloid, otherwise, even kuu can lie better I know I'm souding crude, but even if I'm an ayu fan, I find her excuse a little pathetic.