[Charts & Rankings] Official Oricon Thread ~Rock'n'Roll Circus & ARENA TOUR 2009 NEXT LEVEL~ III

[Nackar_91]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Even with just full songs.

I personally wouldn't if for example...
Artist X would have 750,000 legal downloads for a full song and 100,000 sales of physical copies for an album, while for example ayu would have a full song that sold 100,000 and an album that sold 300,000 and her sales would seem lower because of the combination, while the worth of what she sold is way better (both because more people will to buy the physical copy and also because it's more profitable).

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Do you mean physical single when you say album? Because physical albums have nothing to do with the singles : P

I suppose ... but charts aren't profitibility rankings. There's no way to properly rank that, seeing as how you also have endorsements etc. etc. Charts are just to show which song is the most purchased song, be it in physical or digital form.

Oh well, even if they don't merge the two I'd at least like to see a proper digital chartXD

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

Do you mean physical single when you say album? Because physical albums have nothing to do with the singles : P

I suppose ... but charts aren't profitibility rankings. There's no way to properly rank that, seeing as how you also have endorsements etc. etc. Charts are just to show which song is the most purchased song, be it in physical or digital form.

Oh well, even if they don't merge the two I'd at least like to see a proper digital chartXD

Yeah it would be great if there would be a seperate digital charts with sales. =D

[Nackar_91]

But anyway, until that day, we can still congratulate Ayu on her awesome physical sales XD.

What do you all think it will reach? I personally guess it'll be somewhere around 320k, if it has a chartlife similar to NL.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

But anyway, until that day, we can still congratulate Ayu on her awesome physical sales XD.

What do you all think it will reach? I personally guess it'll be somewhere around 320k, if it has a chartlife similar to NL.

It'll most likely be a number between 317 and 320k

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

come on!!! the album must keep on selling go go RnRC!!!

[Pieces_of_SEVEN]

Maybe 310k at least?

[rakeru]

It'll be REALLY depressing if it doesn't even get to 310k, though unexpected things happen. >.<

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

Because in Japan they tend to always reference Oricon which gives a somewhat distorted image of what's popular.

I wouldn't mind two seperate charts if the digital chart would actually supply the numbers, not just certifications.

Besides, I don't think anyone wants to add ringtone downloads. That's something completely different. If they would just merge physical single sales and all FULL-SONG downloads together, I'd be a happy chart addict.

Yeah, but that's for singles. What about albums? People would have to download a certain amount of tracks for it to be considered 1 album sale. And we all know her album tracks don't do as well. So merging the charts just for singles and keeping them separate for albums is pointless. Things might as well stay the way they are. And people referring to Oricon instead of weighing in all of the factors that contribute to popularity doesn't warrant a reason to merge the charts. Arashi is a great example. Since a lot of their stuff are not available for digital download, their ranking would plummet if the charts were fused. However, they're undeniably popular, one of the most popular acts in Japan. There are more things involved and two charts becoming one doesn't solve the problem.

Although having a chart for physical and full-track digital sales would make things a lot easier for "single" sales, it doesn't make things better all around, in my opinion.

[Nackar_91]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

Yeah, but that's for singles. What about albums? People would have to download a certain amount of tracks for it to be considered 1 album sale. And we all know her album tracks don't do as well. So merging the charts just for singles and keeping them separate for albums is pointless. Things might as well stay the way they are. And people referring to Oricon instead of weighing in all of the factors that contribute to popularity doesn't warrant a reason to merge the charts. Arashi is a great example. Since a lot of their stuff are not available for digital download, their ranking would plummet if the charts were fused. However, they're undeniably popular, one of the most popular acts in Japan. There are more things involved and two charts becoming one doesn't solve the problem.

Although having a chart for physical and full-track digital sales would make things a lot easier for "single" sales, it doesn't make things better all around, in my opinion.

I don't really get what you're saying. If one downloads the entire album, it counts as one album sold. If one downloads a single song, it counts as a song download. Where's the issue? Add the physical album sales to the digital album sales, and you have the sales.

Also, I don't see the problem with Arashi. The SOLE reason Johnny's chose not to release their songs digitally is to dominate the charts. If the charts were to be merged I'm sure they'd change that, they're suckers for chart succes it appears.

Besides, this is the way it's done in the rest of the world so I don't see why it wouldn't work in Japan. Also, if you're worried about accurate representations of popularity, other charts factor in airplay as well, which can fix that. It's not like the current charts are very clear about popularity either. Galileo Galilei's song Hamanasu no Hana was a big download hit that received a lot of airplay, but it only reached no. 15 on the Oricon charts.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

I don't really get what you're saying. If one downloads the entire album, it counts as one album sold. If one downloads a single song, it counts as a song download. Where's the issue? Add the physical album sales to the digital album sales, and you have the sales.

Also, I don't see the problem with Arashi. The SOLE reason Johnny's chose not to release their songs digitally is to dominate the charts. If the charts were to be merged I'm sure they'd change that, they're suckers for chart succes it appears.

Besides, this is the way it's done in the rest of the world so I don't see why it wouldn't work in Japan. Also, if you're worried about accurate representations of popularity, other charts factor in airplay as well, which can fix that. It's not like the current charts are very clear about popularity either. Galileo Galilei's song Hamanasu no Hana was a big download hit that received a lot of airplay, but it only reached no. 15 on the Oricon charts.

Oh, there was never a full album that was certified in Japan so I don't think it would help much.
The Japanese people download legally mainly full songs and ringtones. From time to time there are full singles who get certificated but never full albums.
Not a lot of singles as well, just a few in a year.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

I don't really get what you're saying. If one downloads the entire album, it counts as one album sold. If one downloads a single song, it counts as a song download. Where's the issue? Add the physical album sales to the digital album sales, and you have the sales.

Also, I don't see the problem with Arashi. The SOLE reason Johnny's chose not to release their songs digitally is to dominate the charts. If the charts were to be merged I'm sure they'd change that, they're suckers for chart succes it appears.

Besides, this is the way it's done in the rest of the world so I don't see why it wouldn't work in Japan. Also, if you're worried about accurate representations of popularity, other charts factor in airplay as well, which can fix that. It's not like the current charts are very clear about popularity either. Galileo Galilei's song Hamanasu no Hana was a big download hit that received a lot of airplay, but it only reached no. 15 on the Oricon charts.

I thought your main point of putting the charts together was to show popularity, which I don't think one chart would accurately depict any better than two. Sorry

[Nackar_91]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

I thought your main point of putting the charts together was to show popularity, which I don't think one chart would accurately depict any better than two. Sorry

Ooh lol, I guess we misunderstood each other : P.

@ayumisrael :

But isn't it just that no full albums have been certified because they simply haven't started counting?

Here in Holland a significant amount of album sales are digital, yet only physical sales are certified. It might be the same in Japan, but I don't know that for sure.

[love in music]

Wasn't the NL tour rated really low on Amazon Japan? Yet it's selling so much..
It's really a great tour imo, I need to get around to buying it, but damn it's so expensive.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

Ooh lol, I guess we misunderstood each other : P.

@ayumisrael :

But isn't it just that no full albums have been certified because they simply haven't started counting?

Here in Holland a significant amount of album sales are digital, yet only physical sales are certified. It might be the same in Japan, but I don't know that for sure.

Well RIAJ would certificate an album if it would have 100,000+ legal downloads.
I'm not sure but I think that once an album was certificated.

It's just that 99.9% of the albums don't sell enough digitally (as a whole album). That's why they also never certificate PV downloads and chaku uta incoming movie clips and RBTs. They don't have enough legal downloads.
Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~'s incoming movie clips and full PV did very very well and it sold like 20,000 according to an avex pdf document. full PVs, RBTs and full albums (and almost all singles) are probably doing the same more or less.

[truehappiness]

Wasn't the NL tour rated really low on Amazon Japan? Yet it's selling so much..

It was rated by people based on what they saw during the concert they saw and not the DVD. (or by conniving trolls.) Just goes to show that people who review releases 2 months before they come out probably aren't all that, hahaha.

Speaking of Amazon, Rock'n'Roll Circus' rating is so high, haha.

164 Reviews
5 star: (116)
4 star: (18)
3 star: (10)
2 star: (6)
1 star: (14)

4.5/5 average on the site.

[Nackar_91]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Well RIAJ would certificate an album if it would have 100,000+ legal downloads.
I'm not sure but I think that once an album was certificated.

It's just that 99.9% of the albums don't sell enough digitally (as a whole album). That's why they also never certificate PV downloads and chaku uta incoming movie clips and RBTs. They don't have enough legal downloads.
Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~'s incoming movie clips and full PV did very very well and it sold like 20,000 according to an avex pdf document. full PVs, RBTs and full albums (and almost all singles) are probably doing the same more or less.

Yeah, I suppose. I saw Namie Amuro's Hide and Seek PV sold 70.000 downloads and that's the highest I ever saw. But to be honest, I think RIAJ is being a bit ridiculous keeping the required amount of numbers sold the same for every single aspect. Wouldn't it make more sense to have PVs gold at something like 30.000? Other countries seem to change the certifications depending on what is sold.

I do know of some singles that have sold a lot of legal full-track downloads (I think Soba ni Iru ne has sold 2.300.000, according to the Guinness book of world records), but I suppose those are only the real hits.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Nackar_91

Yeah, I suppose. I saw Namie Amuro's Hide and Seek PV sold 70.000 downloads and that's the highest I ever saw. But to be honest, I think RIAJ is being a bit ridiculous keeping the required amount of numbers sold the same for every single aspect. Wouldn't it make more sense to have PVs gold at something like 30.000? Other countries seem to change the certifications depending on what is sold.

I do know of some singles that have sold a lot of legal full-track downloads (I think Soba ni Iru ne has sold 2.300.000, according to the Guinness book of world records), but I suppose those are only the real hits.

Yeah, it was sad and kind of shocking though that after that song Aoyama really got back to do average and she's not selling really good nowadays (I mean not big amounts), a proof that even having one of the greatest hits in Japan ever doesn't mean you will be popular/popular for long.
It did show that speficially this song/single was hugely enormously popular though. I think that artists get popular/popular longer when they sell good/great+ physically. Specially with albums.

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[Mirrorcle Monster]

The DVD is selling really well, i think it´s because of the spectacular performances

[ayuinh.k?]

Originally Posted by Heavenly Zerase

The DVD is selling really well, i think it´s because of the spectacular performances

i bet rollin helped the sales with the dance LOL jks jks, but overall this concert was more fun to watch and had that crazy fun energy to it compared to AT08, the whole theme/atmosphere of that concert was dark and serious..

[ayumisrael]

Maybe a lot of people that didn't go because they thought it's not good regret it and buy the dvd (or bought the dvd as a part of the boxset) lol.