Yahoo! News asks: Is there too much Korean entertainment in Japan?

is sad to see all Korean artist are debuting in Japan, still they won't be #1 on oricon chart for enough time...

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by bondingo

There's not a huge chance of it happening. Unfortunately there hasn't been a single fully Asian artist or group to make it in America (idk if you'd count Pink Lady's mild success in the 70s...can't think of any others).

But I am still very much hoping 2NE1 has a hit and possibly gets big. CL and Bom both obviously have great English and their sound is very current, so I think if anyone has a chance it's them.

I think the Far East Movement has the distinction of being the only Asian-American musicians to have a very popular song, Like A G6. But, they are very much Americanized.

The problem, I feel, with non-American singers trying to make it in the US is that, unless they are from the UK or Canada they are just seen as "that weird foreign group". Tokio Hotel, Aqua, they were never major hits, they just had a fairly large fanbase in North America, but not enough to promote them to the stardom level of someone like Britney Spears. They were more a fad thing. That's not to say that no non-American could make it or has made it, but they are fewer in numbers than domestic singers.

[bondingo]

^Totally forgot about them! They're so awful I generally try to forget they exist lol.

But I think with it hard enough for Asian-Americans to succeed in the music industry, it makes it that so much harder for foreign artists from Asia with limited English ability.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by bondingo

^Totally forgot about them! They're so awful I generally try to forget they exist lol.

But I think with it hard enough for Asian-Americans to succeed in the music industry, it makes it that so much harder for foreign artists from Asia with limited English ability.

Yeah... they have a few songs I find mildly decent, but I do not consider myself a fan in any way.

For me, I feel the only way that an Asian band to make it big here in North America, is to have a totally North Americanized sound, not promote themselves as being a foreign band, have flawless English, and working with someone well-known and current in the North American music industry. And even then, there is no guarantee.

[Not Fade Away]

It just doesn't make sense to get upset about it. The Korean artists aren't hurting anyone, people obviously like them enough to boost their sales to high levels, and a lot of them HAVE credited JPop artists with influencing them. There isn't an artist on this planet that hasn't credited someone else with influencing them, so getting upset about such a thing is pointless.

Clearly JPop artists don't have an issue with it because they've been collaborating with KPop artists for years. SMH.

[qwerty]

K-Pop is so generic it's not even funny. Sometimes I do like how catchy some K-Pop songs can be, but the lyrics of most K-Pop songs are just as meaningless as they were 10 years ago (remember SES, GOD, HOT, etc.?). Still, I like K-Pop for what it is - meaningless, catchy music.

It was just a matter of time that the Japanese would get tired of seeing some Korean music act on TV. I'm getting a bit tired of seeing them, too. I listen to K-Pop when I want to listen to K-Pop, not some mediocre derivative of it in Japanese.

And yes, their Japanese skills are AWFUL. I can barely understand what some of them are saying or singing. I still have no idea what some of the SNSD girls are singing in the Japanese version of "Gee" or "GENIE." Same goes for any Big Bang song.

This isn't the first time I've seen an anti-Hallyu movement, though. There was a manga that expressed anti-Hallyu sentiment back in 2005, and I remember it sold really well. History repeats itself.

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

I think a lot of people are getting all "Japan needs to get over it" about all this, but really, truly, Jpop/Japanese entertainment would never become popular in Korea to this extent, not because of quality or whatever, but because Korea would never want it/allow it, and if by chance it slipped through, you can bet yourselves there'd be drama.

If anything, Japan was being the tolerant ones. It's just gotten to the point where -everything- is Korean. Korean cosmetics/skin care, chain restaurants all having korean food, magazines, drama, music, movies, commercials.

It's much more than what a lot of people outside of Japan can fathom.

[Yumsushi]

Since everyone is talking about this, I have a question; are artists invited to sing on shows like Music station and the like or are their appearances arranged through their own agencies? There is a Kpop group Im thinking of that hasn't had Kara's or SNSD's success that was on Music station recently and that has me wondering.

[Ranma Matsuri]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

I think a lot of people are getting all "Japan needs to get over it" about all this, but really, truly, Jpop/Japanese entertainment would never become popular in Korea to this extent, not because of quality or whatever, but because Korea would never want it/allow it, and if by chance it slipped through, you can bet yourselves there'd be drama.

If anything, Japan was being the tolerant ones. It's just gotten to the point where -everything- is Korean. Korean cosmetics/skin care, chain restaurants all having korean food, magazines, drama, music, movies, commercials.

It's much more than what a lot of people outside of Japan can fathom.

Interesting.

Like I said, I have no idea how I'd react to seeing everything I know suddenly dominated by a foreign country (would that be the right way to phrase it? lol). If it's just the music than I don't see an issue but stretching as far as other media outlets, products, food, etc. than I'd imagine it would become very frustrating to people especially knowing that other country wouldn't allow the same to happen in turn.

Even if this thread was started by someone looking for flame wars, it IS an intriguing topic. Anyone else living Japan care to add to this?

[NintendoHTF1242]

I just don't think that all these people should be protesting at a TV station How 'bout helping the Tsunami victims instead?

[TofuBunny]

^ Right ? What's so hard about changing the channel ?
They should put all this effort and time on a worthy cause imo

[Raiu-Ayu]

I'm actually on both sides of this

I like K-Pop (I'm listening to 2NE1 right now) and I also love J-Pop so I'm quite happy to see K-Pop in Japan (plus I understand Japanese more than I understand Korean lolol) But I'm also annoyed to see Japanese artists I love and who I know have struggled to get any recognition being put second best cuz some group from Korea (who to be perfectly honest aren't all that great) are popular PURELY for the fact that they are Korean.

Yeah be popular based on your achievements and the music you make not just cuz you're from a certain country (I also have the same issue with AKB48 seriously just cuz a girl is in that group doesn't make her good -_-')

[a_kingdom21]

Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242

I just don't think that all these people should be protesting at a TV station How 'bout helping the Tsunami victims instead?

n why do these overseas group keep on milking money in tsunami disaster victim land....

fuji tv is one of the biggest nation tv in japan..
n japanese think that they overplaying these hallyu wave out of portion n they want to watch their own program instead of watching those people who even not really fluently saying some words in japanese..
and what will u do if ur favorite tv channel fulled by program that u dont want to watch...they just want their rights as a consumer audience...

japanese is known for their nationalism since a long time ago...

[qwerty]

I think K-Pop in general is suffering since so many groups are going to Japan trying to cash into the market. Secret, SHINee, After School, SNSD, KARA, and various other groups are all now in Japan; they're not releasing anything new in Korea. I wonder if they'll have the same popularity when they get back to Korea. They can't honestly expect to stay in Japan forever. Even Japanese groups don't stay popular for that long. Just look at Morning Musume.

I know, though, that eventually Japan will get so sick of Korean groups that the hype will die down. It's already happening to an extent, although I didn't expect it to be this soon.

[TofuBunny]

^ Yeah it sucks that these groups are staying in Japan instead of making new music in Korea . SNSD and KARA are both coming back in Korea next month though, and they're still as popular as ever there. My only concern is the health of the girls, their schedules are crazy right now

Originally Posted by a_kingdom21

n why do these overseas group keep on milking money in tsunami disaster victim land....

fuji tv is one of the biggest nation tv in japan..
n japanese think that they overplaying these hallyu wave out of portion n they want to watch their own program instead of watching those people who even not really fluently saying some words in japanese..
and what will u do if ur favorite tv channel fulled by program that u dont want to watch...they just want their rights as a consumer audience...

japanese is known for their nationalism since a long time ago...

Yes I'm sure that those evil greedy Koreans are forcing the poor Japanese people to buy their albums

In the middle east we have something similar to the Hallyu .. Except it's with Turkish dramas that got super popular in the past couple of years. Most channels air them on a regular basis but there was this one channel that airs three different dramas every single day. A lot of people (me included) don't like watching them. But the thing is, it was just one channel, and a lot of people liked tuning in to them everyday and they weren't really hurting anyone. So did we go to the tv station and wasted our time to complain about something we don't like ? No. No one is forcing these people to watch these shows, and I'm sure Japan has a lot of different channels other than Fuji TV. If they don't like it they can watch something else or just turn off the TV and go outside and get some fresh air

[Kanzaki]

Originally Posted by TofuBunny

In the middle east we have something similar to the Hallyu .. Except it's with Turkish dramas that got super popular in the past couple of years. Most channels air them on a regular basis but there was this one channel that airs three different dramas every single day. A lot of people (me included) don't like watching them. But the thing is, it was just one channel, and a lot of people liked tuning in to them everyday and they weren't really hurting anyone. So did we go to the tv station and wasted our time to complain about something we don't like ? No. No one is forcing these people to watch these shows, and I'm sure Japan has a lot of different channels other than Fuji TV. If they don't like it they can watch something else or just turn off the TV and go outside and get some fresh air

This.

Maybe this korean wave of music and programs is a good thing. Perhaps it'll teach Japan to let in other countries a little bit and not be so secluded. And if you don't like it or it becomes too much? Don't buy it, change the channel, walk away. It's not like korean militia is invading. You have a choice.

The protesting imo is just so over the top. You can't be that sensitive. Especially with a non-public service channel. If their tax money had been going to Fuji tv's employees paychecks, then it would've been a bit different.

[terra]

Appearantly there are more reasons to protest on Fuji TV other than the KPop thing

credits from aramatheydidnt

Spoiler:

Written by Username8098@youtube:

Fuji Television Network is one of the TV stations in Japan. We criticize Fuji TV Network.
The broadcasting station of the own country is partial to only a certain one country. In addition, they diminish an athlete and the national interest of the own country. We criticize such inclination broadcasting. Because Fuji TV broadcasted only Korean contents, it was a fact that some people criticized Korean contents. However, the people of the Fuji TV protection call it racial discrimination. We Japanese do not perform criticism of others without a reason. We avoid racial discrimination most.
I write some reasons why we criticize Fuji TV Network. Because there are too many reasons to write here, so I write several reasons.
Fuji Television Network doesn't broadcast following problems. Moreover, they are causing following scandals recently.


① "Soshiki" contributed 62,500,000 yen in total to the political body derived from "the citizen's party" indirectly. We knew this scandal on July 1st. However, Fuji has never broadcasted. This problem is like following; Barack Obama donated 781,250 dollars ( now, a dollar≒80 yen ) to Usāma bin Lādin's relatives. Fuji doesn't broadcast this scandal, but they broadcast Korean contents 40 hours per a week.
※"Soshikai"： A fund management group. Kan Naoto, prime minister of Japan, and Yukio Hatoyama, ex-Prime Minister, belong to this.
※" A citizen's party"： The relative of the suspect who abducted a Japanese belongs to this.
※Abduction issue：By North Korea, several Japanese were abducted in 1970~1980. The Japanese Government announces that the number of abductees amounts to 17 now. In September, 2002, North Korea accepted Japanese abduction, and five victims went back to their own country in October of the year. But, about other victims, there is not yet the convincible explanation from North Korea.

②Fuji betrayed volunteers. : Tohoku region in Japan was hit by Tsunami. For the revival, some people resolved to work volunteer. Fuji Television Network used such people to set a stage to use by a TV program. Fuji didn't inform them beforehand. Fuji TV Network exploited their volunteer spirits

③Tokai TV Network is one of group Fuji Television Network Holdings. The TV Network broadcast telop "rice which is polluted by cesium". They apologized "We are sorry. The telop was for rehearsals." Before the problem is found out, they said "We support the stricken area". We are convinced that Tokai TV Network laugh at the disaster area, in the place where our eyes do not arrive.

④We saw reporters' imprudent attitude many times in a short time. For examples, Mr.Edano, Chief Cabinet Secretary, held a press conference about the situation of the nuclear power stations which have been stricken by Tsunami many times, immediately after earthquake. In the press conference, a reporter said "Again? I laugh." Moreover, recently, a female TV announcer laughed in the vigil over a pro-sports player's body. We doubt their humanity is normality.

⑤TV stars who criticized Fuji or the Korean boom was drawn off work. Now, Japan is under the worst circumstances since war. Moreover, Japan is in conflict with Korea for a territorial dispute now. To take advantage of the opportunity of the disaster, Korea invaded Takeshima, although Japan has a good reason for believing that Takeshima is our territory. Incidentally, Korea cannot certify that the island is theirs. Korea continues to refuse trying to have the judge of the International Court of Justice. Although such situation, Fuji continue to broadcast Korean contents 40 hours per a week, without broadcasting such very important problem. Something is strange.

⑥Fuji TV Network treated successive Prime Minister's name as suspects in the drama. Is Fuji really a Japanese TV station?

⑦A heroine of Fuji's drama on August 7th was wearing T-shirts written "Little-Boy" (The Hiroshima atomic bomb: August 6) (Little-Boy is code name of Hiroshima atomic bomb). Have you seen the photograph of the radiation victim in Hiroshima? Fuji Television Network laughs at atomic bomb victims.

⑧Similarly, a fat man was wearing T-shirts written "9" in the drama. Atomic bomb which was dropped to Nagasaki on August 9th is "Fat-Man". Some people said "You read too much into it." But, a person identified the T-shirts after that. "ROC WEAR" sells T-shirts on which atomic bomb is printed. Fuji Television Network said "We didn't intend like that. It's a matter of regret if you judged so." However, the producer of the drama has a big relation for production of "bare foot Gen". This story was made in reference to the victim of atomic bomb. Therefore, Fuji's excuse just won't sell. Obviously, they did intentionally.

⑨"Kimigayo" is a Japanese national anthem.
ISU World Figure Skating Championships in 2007: Miki Ando won the championship. Fuji didn't broadcast "Kimigayo".
ISU World Figure Skating Championships in 2008: Mao Asada won the championship. Fuji didn't broadcast "Kimigyo".
ISU World Figure Skating Championships in 2009:Yuna Kim, a Korea player, won the championship. Fuji broadcast Korean anthem.
ISU World Figure Skating Championships in 2010: Mao Asada won the championship. （Complaints rush. Fuji did an explanation hard to hear and promised to improve the action of own later.）
ISU World Figure Skating Championships in 2011: Miki Ando won the championship.
Fuji didn't broadcast a picture of the Japanese flag projected on ice and an earthquake disaster support message from Russia. （Their action is not improved.）」
Japan Derby in 2011: Fuji didn't broadcast the Kimigayo performance before the race.
FIFA Women's World Cup in 2011: "Nadeshiko Japan" won the championship. They did not broadcast Japanese victory lap. U.S.A. and the Canadian broadcasting station broadcasted it.

⑩Fuji TV does not report it about "the danger of the human rights relief bill" and "danger of the foreign franchise". Possibility to threaten Japanese national sovereignty is very high in these bills submitted to the Diet soon. When own sovereignty seems to be threatened, we make resistance against it thoroughly.

⑪There are countless videos now uploaded in Youtube that show that Fuji has been using subliminal effects (manipulating the subconscious of the viewers) to promote Korean contents. These evidences show that in programs that have nothing to do with Korea, they slip in images of kpop star, put in words like "love korea" in the background, and use korean national flag designs in the background. The thing to note is that it's all in the background and only after careful observation can you make them out to be such. Google subliminal effect for details. It's been banned by law btw

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

^ Numbers 7, 8 and 9 are really interesting..... o.o

[NintendoHTF1242]

What is this I can't even

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

I was interested in the subliminal messaging, and so I googled a bit...

http://ogisuke01.exblog.jp/14976582/

You can see two pictures at this site. One is a scene from Sazae-san, a very Japanese anime, with a poster of Dong Bang Shinki in the back.

The second picture is a news show that has symbols resembling the Korean flag in the background of the set.

There's also a picture here: http://google7.blog88.fc2.com/blog-entry-1373.html

It says "Karaメール" instead of "空メール" (kara mail). The Kanji is pronounced kara, meaning empty, but it would never be written out like that. I've only ever seen it use the Kanji. (kara mail is used when Joining mobile sites and stuff, you send an empty message and get an automatic reply and fill out stuff)


There are also a few pictures here: http://blog.livedoor.jp/professor101...s/1521605.html

Most notable is the one with the woman with the tree and ribbons behind her. It was celebrating Tanabata, which has people write their wishes on paper and tie it to branches. In that shot, it says "I want to have beautiful legs like Shoujo Jidai" and "I want to be able to go to KARA's concert"

There's also a picture where it asked different age groups what their favorite Nabe ingredient is (a one-pot meal that boils various vegetables and such) and amongst all the groups, kimchee was the number 1 choice, which is a bit...strange. While this isn't impossible, it's unlikely.