～POWER of MUSIC～ 2011 A LIMITED EDITION setlists, photos, and etc. [IV]

[Hydeki]

^Well I don't see why do people have to stop talking about it, everyone has their right to express their opìnion. The matter is not there are no consequence, the matter is the lack of respect towards the audience and people who were watching it online, and furthermore, to ayu and the crew who did their best in the performance.

Maybe people do find it funny or whatever, but I definitely don't.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by Hydeki

^Well I don't see why do people have to stop talking about it, everyone has their right to express their opìnion. The matter is not there are no consequence, the matter is the lack of respect towards the audience and people who were watching it online, and furthermore, to ayu and the crew who did their best in the performance.

Maybe people do find it funny or whatever, but I definitely don't.

Why should Shuya care that western fans are oversensitive and take every small thing(that is absolutely meaningless in their culture) as being "respectless"?

[koumori]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Why should Shuya care that western fans are oversensitive and take every small thing(that is absolutely meaningless in their culture) as being "respectless"?

In any case. I'm looking forward to see the DVD It looks like they did more of a show for the recording.

[ComatoseBunnySnatcher]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Why should Shuya care that western fans are oversensitive and take every small thing(that is absolutely meaningless in their culture) as being "respectless"?

Because he is part of Ayu's team, therefore a reflection of her?

If japanese fans want to raise an uproar because ayu couldn't make it back to japan to record a live I think western fans can get bothered by something just as rediculous.

[kinix]

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher

Because he is part of Ayu's team, therefore a reflection of her?

If japanese fans want to raise an uproar because ayu couldn't make it back to japan to record a live I think western fans can get bothered by something just as rediculous.

ayu had a picture of her pointing middle finger at the press during red carpet at the mtv asia awards'02 but nobody cares too ^^ (she's smiling happily =D )

[isthisLOL?]

^ I think the reason for that is that far-away angles are more "safe" for live broadcasts. You know you ALWAYS show what's going on, with many close-ups you can easily miss something important and cutting can be more tricky.

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher

Because he is part of Ayu's team, therefore a reflection of her?

If japanese fans want to raise an uproar because ayu couldn't make it back to japan to record a live I think western fans can get bothered by something just as rediculous.

Because some japanese people are stupid we can be stupid, too? OK, I guess arguing with you doesn't make sense.

Fact is: It is only offensive in some(not even all, it's only really offensive in the US afaik, but EVERYTHING is offensive in the US, we just laugh about it here) western cultures, the concert did not happen in a western country, it happened in a place where it means nothing. It was done by a person that grew up in a culture it means nothing in. If YOU decide to be offended that's your own fault for either being oversensitive or simply not understanding that cultures differ. Why should someone in Japan care if a handful Americans(not even all of them) are offended when everybody else pretty much isn't? The 6.7 billion people that are not American don't give a ****.

[ComatoseBunnySnatcher]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Because some japanese people are stupid we can be stupid, too? OK, I guess arguing with you doesn't make sense.

Fact is: It is only offensive in some(not even all, it's only really offensive in the US afaik, but EVERYTHING is offensive in the US, we just laugh about it here) western cultures, the concert did not happen in a western country, it happened in a place where it means nothing. It was done by a person that grew up in a culture it means nothing in. If YOU decide to be offended that's your own fault for either being oversensitive or simply not understanding that cultures differ. Why should someone in Japan care if a handful Americans are offended when everybody else pretty much isn't?

The way I and some others take his behavior, if its stupid, shouldn't matter to you then.
We're just a bunch of retarded americans according to you right?

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher

The way I and some others take his behavior, if its stupid, shouldn't matter to you then.
We're just a bunch of retarded americans according to you right?

Oh I see, you can over-generalize, too
I said that it's only really offensive in American culture, not that all Americans are idiots. My boyfriend is American so don't act like I'm some racist.
I do find it stupid to get offended by something that was clearly not meant to offend anyone though and that's just what I see in this thread from a handful of people. Just because it is offensive in your culture does not mean it's anything offensive in itself. Someone from a country far away doesn't have to care if less than 5% of the world's population, less than 5% that aren't even the main audience, might or might not be offended.
If an American did it on American television it would have been different(though even then reactions would have probably become overdramatic), but this was a Japanese doing it in a Japanese concert that was streamed over the internet - NOT exclusively to the USA, but to everybody who wanted to watch it. And the gesture was directed not at the people watching it over the internet, but either someone on stage or the audience. If anything, they should be offended - but have you heard of any drama about it? No?
If sitting down on a chair was offensive in say....I don't know....some random country far away, should I only be allowed to sit on the ground because someone from there might see it and get offended? Come on.
I'm German, so should any Nazi symbolism - like in Ladies Night for example - offend me? No, because I know it's not meant to be offensive and it's not offensive in that part of the world.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Hydeki

^Well I don't see why do people have to stop talking about it, everyone has their right to express their opìnion. The matter is not there are no consequence, the matter is the lack of respect towards the audience and people who were watching it online, and furthermore, to ayu and the crew who did their best in the performance.

Maybe people do find it funny or whatever, but I definitely don't.

But if you think that, then you are being very ethnocentric. As I already stated, using your middle finger in Japan has no negative connotation to it. All cultures are different. I teach at elementary school in Tokyo and have seen kids gesture with their middle fingers that could be construed in America as flipping someone the bird, but do the teachers here get upset about it? No of course not because it is not something derogatory in the culture of Japan - they may as well be using their index finger.

I once did a 'thumbs down' sign in class and the students practically lost their minds. "Ohhh you can't do that! That's very bad!!" - in Japan a thumbs down means basically to tell someone to die. If Shu-ya had done that in the concert, then you would see a controversy.

I guess all the people in Japan should stop flashing inward facing peace signs in photos because that could be considered offensive in England. :roll eyes

For a board that is dedicated to the music of a foreign country, there are sure some closed minded people about cultural differences on this board....

Edit: And now I realize that this subject got squashed about a page back.