Leslie Kee SUPER...

[susiowong]

Originally Posted by emi♡

No one seems to understand pornography at all. It's not just about sexual arousal. It's about the representation of human sexuality.

Hm, maybe I have the wrong perception of pornography. When I think of porn, I think of it as being used only for sexual arousal purposes. Based off of some of the incredibly kinky stuff I've seen, a lot of it I cannot in any way perceive as art - for instance, bestiality, snuff films, and rape, and of course other things that I've really never wanted to see.

... Then again, the only kind of porn I've ever come across is the kind on 4chan. So I hope that's not what the majority of porn is like.

Leslie's photos, on the other hand, I can see how it can be seen as both artistic and pornographic. So my initial reaction's that it's simply porn might just be that, an initial reaction. The line between pornography and art on Leslie's photos is fuzzy, so maybe it's a little of both.

You guys have a lot of interesting opinions.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

I think I love you.
This is what I tried to say but I guess didn't come across.

Originally Posted by susiowong

Hm, maybe I have the wrong perception of pornography. When I think of porn, I think of it as being used only for sexual arousal purposes. Based off of some of the incredibly kinky stuff I've seen, a lot of it I cannot in any way perceive as art - for instance, bestiality, snuff films, and rape, and of course other things that I've really never wanted to see.

... Then again, the only kind of porn I've ever come across is the kind on 4chan. So I hope that's not what the majority of porn is like.

Leslie's photos, on the other hand, I can see how it can be seen as both artistic and pornographic. So my initial reaction's that it's simply porn might just be that, an initial reaction. The line between pornography and art on Leslie's photos is fuzzy, so maybe it's a little of both.

You guys have a lot of interesting opinions.

I'm only going to really comment on this because I think Leslie's work involves some kink themes...but first of all, it's quite difficult for people who aren't into these things to understand them and be tolerant to begin with, let alone see them as "art".

But it does remain that, these sorts of things do occur, and heavily, with humans. Of course some of those things are illegal, so I won't go into that, but when it comes to being tolerant, it's important to remember that there's a reason why these things exist. They do mean something to someone, somewhere. And to them, a graphic picture of some kinky act, for example, could be a part of who they are and incredibly important to them.

If it's an expression of who they are, and it's extremely pornographic, how is that any different from any other piece of art that is an expression of someone else's humanity?

When it comes to Leslie, I think his messages are loud and clear lol I guess he prefers them that way. I think his photos are pornographic, but softly so. They aren't really that graphic.

I kind of felt sorry for him when Super MANUEL came out. I mean, I didn't like it...Manny isn't my style...but it was kind of awful seeing people condemn it because of the sexual themes he included.

People even do the same with Ayu sometimes...I mean, like the disgusting ****-shaming that came out with Party Queen. It just shows how much many still don't understand and aren't tolerant with human sexuality.

[susiowong]

Originally Posted by emi♡

I'm only going to really comment on this because I think Leslie's work involves some kink themes...but first of all, it's quite difficult for people who aren't into these things to understand them and be tolerant to begin with, let alone see them as "art".

But it does remain that, these sorts of things do occur, and heavily, with humans. Of course some of those things are illegal, so I won't go into that, but when it comes to being tolerant, it's important to remember that there's a reason why these things exist. They do mean something to someone, somewhere. And to them, a graphic picture of some kinky act, for example, could be a part of who they are and incredibly important to them.

If it's an expression of who they are, and it's extremely pornographic, how is that any different from any other piece of art that is an expression of someone else's humanity?

Fair enough. I propose that pornography is then a type of art. Well, crudely-done art that has to make its point with a sledgehammer, that is. I'm thinking of B-list porn, of course, not Leslie's, though I contend he's making some bold statements with his art.