[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~again~

[harufi]

Originally Posted by Bigtop

Taking a closer look at the top ten...



(she's in between Korean idol acts, if you're wondering)

No surprise that EXILE, YUI and Mr.Children outsold them (Mr.Children on their second week?). Even Yumi Matsutoya. Anyone shocked at the numbers or not?

I expected her to be behind EXILE, YUI and Mr. Children. I don't know anything about Yumi Matsutoya but if its a 'best' album then I'm not surprised she charted higher than Ayu.

Shocked about Big Bang. I know a lot of people in the West like them but not how popular they are in Japan, with the way people were talking on here I assumed she'd sell much more than them though.

[Delicious n Bold]

I don't want Ayu to turn into Taylor swift:
Date people so that you can write about them in your lyrics ><

[TeamAyu2004]

^ lol...

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

We've always been fans of Ayu herself, and yes, we love her music, but we're stupidly confused as to why she keeps driving around thinking this flat tire of a career she has now will get her car down the street of success.

I would be quicker to call Koda that considering how many different men she's rubbed her cootch on in a music video, than I would ever call Ayu.

Love your entire post as you aren't blind to reality but these are definitely the highlights that made me LOL!

I call it Koda's "Kuutch" and sometimes I refer to her as "Kuutchie" in my head, lol.

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by lightningrod

I don't know where you are from or whether you're familiar with Asian cultures, but here in China and I learned that it's similar in Japan, people generally don't have a good opinion about divorced people, and they tend to frown upon relationships where the female is older than the male. Asian fans don't hate Mannie (maybe some of them can't get over the fact that ayu didn't choose a Japanese but that's not hate) but they hate Maro because he is a) divorced and probably had a child and b) he is six years younger than ayu. Many fans automatically turned to "Maro must've been taking advantage of ayu"

Dating a divorced, younger man who has already a child born out of wedlock is nothing anyone should be ashamed of and it shouldn't be a problem at all. I don't think anyone has to stick to cultural norms just because a whole society is backward in development regarding values like liberty, individuality and the right to make your own choices in life.
And if Ayu is strong enough to refuse to accept these absolutely outdated and stupid norms I'm really proud of her and she is more my Queen than ever!

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

When Ayumi did it, I thought: Oh look, another sweaty shirtless gay guy dancing in a club. *next video*

As a gay man, I have to say I can't think about many popstars who brought attention to the issue as beautifully and respectufully than Ayu did on Green and How beautiful are.

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Dating a divorced, younger man who has already a child born out of wedlock is nothing anyone should be ashamed of and it shouldn't be a problem at all. I don't think anyone has to stick to cultural norms just because a whole society is backward in development regarding values like liberty, individuality and the right to make your own choices in life.
And if Ayu is strong enough to refuse to accept these absolutely outdated and stupid norms I'm really proud of her and she is more my Queen than ever!

is all that official news now? I cant seem to keep up.

[SolarAngel]

Originally Posted by harufi

Shocked about Big Bang. I know a lot of people in the West like them but not how popular they are in Japan, with the way people were talking on here I assumed she'd sell much more than them though.

I don't think much credit goes to Big Bang here. Her sales figures are just really low right now. If it had sold like Five mini then she could very well have been no.2. I'll cross my fingers for a 50k total for again.

[mecury2511]

I dont understand why this album - "again" have a beautiful covers, good songs, perfect PV but sales like that @@
I cant understand what japanese think =,="

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by mecury2511

I dont understand why this album - "again" have a beautiful covers, good songs, perfect PV but sales like that @@
I cant understand what japanese think =,="

It has anything but perfect PVs... Lol. It's like one giant, confusing, boring continuation of an already stale storyline and one "simple yet pretty" PV.

[Delicious n Bold]

all this has been messier than my phonetics exam.
Ayu drama got nothing on Uvular sounds. Ugh.

[visionfactory]

Originally Posted by mecury2511

I dont understand why this album - "again" have a beautiful covers, good songs, perfect PV but sales like that @@
I cant understand what japanese think =,="

Because most of japanese fans are in denial about Ayu being a human that needs love, they just hate Maro

[Tony G]

Reading some of the posts in this thread makes me realise just how truly loathesome some AHS forum members are. They're not even worth bothering to write a response to.

I've got a few small points to make, then I'm done here:
- 7 original songs over 2 releases in 2 months, each have been above par releases, especially the songs on again. I don't need sales to validate my opinion of Ayu's output and neither should any true music lover.
- 5 new PVs (albeit not the best, but better than nothing)
- another 3 releases in 3 months
- based on the three points above, we are being spoiled with new material from Ayu like we haven't seen for years. And the music is traditional ayu, sounds members here have been demanding for over experimental Party Queen ayu.
- for these consecutive releases, it has been said 100000000000 times before, SALES. DO. NOT. MATTER. Not to Ayu, Avex, and by extension to you. If they mattered, each release would be released at the start of the Oricon week. It would be nice if these sold more, but it is not the end of Ayu's career and it definitely should not reflect the quality of the music to you. There are a lot of external factors to consider as well, as the previous posts have covered.
- these releases are for you, the fans (including the selfish ones who truly make me ashamed to be an Ayu fan sometimes)

[saigodansu]

And the sales are not a reflection of the songs, pvs or cover. The sales are because many fans who put up with previous stunts are not putting up with one that requires turning her life and career into a big scandal to sell CDs that could have sold just based on being the queen of Jpop for 15 years but instead chose to be publicized by mimicking the stunt of 2 years ago not just in another relationship but in another series of videos and taking it even further with all the photoshoots. Although many probably saw it coming after Party Queen and it's on purpose tabloid garbage.

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by Tony G

Reading some of the posts in this thread makes me realise just how truly loathesome some AHS forum members are. They're not even worth bothering to write a response to.

I've got a few small points to make, then I'm done here:
- 7 original songs over 2 releases in 2 months, each have been above par releases, especially the songs on again. I don't need sales to validate my opinion of Ayu's output and neither should any true music lover.
- 5 new PVs (albeit not the best, but better than nothing)
- another 3 releases in 3 months
- based on the three points above, we are being spoiled with new material from Ayu like we haven't seen for years. And the music is traditional ayu, sounds members here have been demanding for over experimental Party Queen ayu.
- for these consecutive releases, it has been said 100000000000 times before, SALES. DO. NOT. MATTER. Not to Ayu, Avex, and by extension to you. If they mattered, each release would be released at the start of the Oricon week. It would be nice if these sold more, but it is not the end of Ayu's career and it definitely should not reflect the quality of the music to you. There are a lot of external factors to consider as well, as the previous posts have covered.
- these releases are for you, the fans (including the selfish ones who truly make me ashamed to be an Ayu fan sometimes)

i just wanna say you makes TONS of sense.

[AyUmIXx]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Dating a divorced, younger man who has already a child born out of wedlock is nothing anyone should be ashamed of and it shouldn't be a problem at all. I don't think anyone has to stick to cultural norms just because a whole society is backward in development regarding values like liberty, individuality and the right to make your own choices in life.
And if Ayu is strong enough to refuse to accept these absolutely outdated and stupid norms I'm really proud of her and she is more my Queen than ever!

the bolded part... feel the same way!

[kagami]

Originally Posted by Tony G

Reading some of the posts in this thread makes me realise just how truly loathesome some AHS forum members are. They're not even worth bothering to write a response to.

I've got a few small points to make, then I'm done here:
- 7 original songs over 2 releases in 2 months, each have been above par releases, especially the songs on again. I don't need sales to validate my opinion of Ayu's output and neither should any true music lover.
- 5 new PVs (albeit not the best, but better than nothing)
- another 3 releases in 3 months
- based on the three points above, we are being spoiled with new material from Ayu like we haven't seen for years. And the music is traditional ayu, sounds members here have been demanding for over experimental Party Queen ayu.
- for these consecutive releases, it has been said 100000000000 times before, SALES. DO. NOT. MATTER. Not to Ayu, Avex, and by extension to you. If they mattered, each release would be released at the start of the Oricon week. It would be nice if these sold more, but it is not the end of Ayu's career and it definitely should not reflect the quality of the music to you. There are a lot of external factors to consider as well, as the previous posts have covered.
- these releases are for you, the fans (including the selfish ones who truly make me ashamed to be an Ayu fan sometimes)

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by visionfactory

Because most of japanese fans are in denial about Ayu being a human that needs love, they just hate Maro

It's not like the situation is that different over here lately...

[Moonstar]

Tony G, what you wrote is so true!!!!

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by visionfactory

Because most of japanese fans are in denial about Ayu being a human that needs love, they just hate Maro

It's not about being in love, she was in love with Tomoya for a long time and he was never a part of the "Hamasaki Ayumi" image.