If Ayu had worked with TK from her debut..

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Well, personally I don't think it's because of overuse. Unfortunately, to me, TKs older works are the opposite of wine and scotch, the older, the worse. Those TK songs are some of the songs I've ever heard age the worst in my whole life..I mean, hitomi's older album are a kick in the balls as well as namie's. They both became much better after they got rid of TK. Thankfully ayu only got his compositions recently, and hopefully they'll just keep to a few.

But are you saying this based on your impressions after hearing his stuff now or did you listen to him back in the 90's? There's a huge difference.

Is somewhat like that staple 80's sound based on Michael Jackson's classics that everyone was copying back them... It was/is so used everywhere by everyone that is hard to use it nowadays without sounding old...

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

But are you saying this based on your impressions after hearing his stuff now or did you listen to him back in the 90's? There's a huge difference.

Is somewhat like that staple 80's sound based on Michael Jackson's classics that everyone was copying back them... It was/is so used everywhere by everyone that is hard to use it nowadays without sounding old...

I listened to him in the 2000's and thought they were regular to annoying, and as I think of today, it sounds even more nauseating. I agree with what someone else said that Globe's song were slightly more well produced than the rest, because it's true, from the whole TK discography, Globe's were the ones able to age a little more properly than the whole rest of his productions. On the other hand, a lot of Michael Jackson's 70 and 80's songs, I only got to listen to them around 2008 (a yerar before his death), and they were amazing, and still are some of his best songs. MJ ages/d properly. TK doesn't/idn't, because most of his old composition are quite cheesy (though it's a bit of unfairness imo to compare MJ to any other pop composer in the world). Don't get me wrong, I love and am very nostalgic of music from the past, I love how in the 80's there was more use for sax in songs and the drum beats were much more drmatic like those in "Live To Tell". This kind of stuff makes you notice the song is old, but it still makes the sound stand fairly nicely and uniquely up to nowadays in my point of view; with TK songs, I dunno, maybe the problems was he actually had amateur singers to sing his compositions back then? But I think even with a great singer it still would sound sort of off and cheesy somewhat...like ayu's SIGNAL song..., which I like but I know it's one of the main ayu songs that aged pretty badly.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I listened to him in the 2000's and thought they were regular to annoying, and as I think of today, it sounds even more nauseating. I agree with what someone else said that Globe's song were slightly more well produced than the rest, because it's true, from the whole TK discography, Globe's were the ones able to age a little more properly than the whole rest of his productions. On the other hand, a lot of Michael Jackson's 70 and 80's songs, I only got to listen to them around 2008 (a yerar before his death), and they were amazing, and still are some of his best songs. MJ ages/d properly. TK doesn't/idn't, because most of his old composition are quite cheesy (though it's a bit of unfairness imo to compare MJ to any other pop composer in the world). Don't get me wrong, I love and am very nostalgic of music from the past, I love how in the 80's there was more use for sax in songs and the drum beats were much more drmatic like those in "Live To Tell". This kind of stuff makes you notice the song is old, but it still makes the sound stand fairly nicely and uniquely up to nowadays in my point of view; with TK songs, I dunno, maybe the problems was he actually had amateur singers to sing his compositions back then? But I think even with a great singer it still would sound sort of off and cheesy somewhat...like ayu's SIGNAL song..., which I like but I know it's one of the main ayu songs that aged pretty badly.

Well, I wasn't talking about Michael, but about the overall 80's sound that a lot of people did copy, and still do, from him. On the same way, that sound we call animesong is pretty much people still using the TK sound up to today. Also, early in the 00s TK was already very dated, to the point of his whole "family" failing at once.

(Tbm acho que o som do TK lembra demais a Xuxa pra um brasileiro conseguir levar ele a sério xD)

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Well, I wasn't talking about Michael, but about the overall 80's sound that a lot of people did copy, and still do, from him. On the same way, that sound we call animesong is pretty much people still using the TK sound up to today. Also, early in the 00s TK was already very dated, to the point of his whole "family" failing at once.

(Tbm acho que o som do TK lembra demais a Xuxa pra um brasileiro conseguir levar ele a sério xD)

Se eu te disser que ainda prefiro as composições do Michael Sulivan/Paulo Massadas e Cid Guerreiro ao TK, tu me mata?

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Se eu te disser que ainda prefiro as composições do Michael Sulivan/Paulo Massadas e Cid Guerreiro ao TK, tu me mata?

Lua de Cristal > Can you celebrate ;P

It's not like I'm a TK super fan, I just believe his work would have old FAR well if it wasn't so overused... And I'm glad that even if Ayu is using his compositions lately, she is using her group of producers to add her own twist to it.


The only jpop stuff released during the TK peak era I love are Matsutoya Yumi's... who is a powerhouse producer of her own right.

[emi♡]

I don't think it would have made much difference.

Her early works are "trendy". They sound like a bunch of other things in jpop, just a bit darker.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by emi♡

I don't think it would have made much difference.

Her early works are "trendy". They sound like a bunch of other things in jpop, just a bit darker.

She debuted during TK's decline... I don't think it would be trendy for her using his sound.

[emi♡]

lol Maybe I just don't know 90s pop very well, it all sounds the same to me.

[Jason]

I love TK

But I'm glad Ayu didn't work with him straight away. Most of the artists he produced work for (that I've heard) sounds very dated now and I don't think Ayu would be where she is now if she was part of the TK tree.

globe are by far one of my favourite bands ever. The stuff TK came out with with them was much better then most of the music he was producing for other people. Though I still love some of it

Also, Love songs was amazing