[TeamAyu] GLOBAL TA launching in December!

[douggn]

Originally Posted by Corvina

Why do you guys think she's doing the TA tour, cause she wants to specifically cater to TA fans losing interest?
I mean, sure, FC tours are meant to be something special for FC fans. But why should doing a FC tour imply she's losing FC fans?
It's actually something really common to do for japanese artists.
Or do you mean because of her doing it NOW it shows something?
I'm not too sure about that. I think she's totally fine. with that.

On the other hand I do believe TA lost something from its meaning with those changes.
Physical goodies are, apart from the ticket lotteries/concerts and personal blogs, one big advantage to get from a FC imo.
And I don't see such a big deal in sharing stuff online from FCs in general normally.
It's just part of media today.
First thought to join FC should always be, cause you're a big fan of the artist and want to support him/her imo.

She could just be testing the waters for it again most likely it will be made and put with a TA only thing, like a bonus DVD with the TA version. Doing something for TA to attract new members to TA

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by douggn

Japanese fans do like to keep things secret Look how long the XOXO remix was kept for Not to mention ayus acapella mumo releases. Most of them have never been uploaded online But its also the time we live in. Everything is uploaded now. I would be more concerned if it wasn't means no one cares

The XOXO remix issue was more that people didn't know how to rip it. Though we did have someone rip it initially but no one from here downloaded it while it was up on Baidu.

[Foyuki]

if there's no physical presents ,for me TA Global is meaningless.And now TA just did it.
everthing is low quality there.slow diary update,late new info update,no actually exlusive stuff.
compared with koda kumi's fanclub.U will know what a shit TA team just did.

[Delirium-Zer0]

I don't think avex will allocate more funds to making TA truly good until & unless people stop sharing things early, though.

And honestly, back when the club was Japan-only, I understood sharing stuff like the screensavers and magazine scans and photos and such... but now that it's open globally, I feel like AHS mods really should ban the sharing of TA stuff here at least, and I think those of us who are members should make an effort to discourage sharing elsewhere by stopping following the news feeds on facebook & twitter that show TA stuff, and/or letting them know that we're unfollowing them because of it.

If more of us are forced to join to see what's new and interesting, TA will be able to hire people to help make TA better - a developer to fix the site's bugs and optimization problems, another translator, a few folks to add old TA content back to the site maybe (like English translations of old making-of and video shoot reports) - and maybe TA could manufacture some of the TeamAyu goods that global fans never got a chance to buy, like the gel A-logo keychains or the multicolored shippo straps, that kind of thing.

I'd also like to see the BBS come back so that TeamAyu members on both sides of the world can communicate with one another, because I don't like that ayu fans feel like her attention has to be divided between them, and if one side wins, another side loses... promoting fan unity is a really really good idea, I think.

[Toniayu123]

^I completely agree with you.

[~angel*ayumi~]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I don't think avex will allocate more funds to making TA truly good until & unless people stop sharing things early, though.

And honestly, back when the club was Japan-only, I understood sharing stuff like the screensavers and magazine scans and photos and such... but now that it's open globally, I feel like AHS mods really should ban the sharing of TA stuff here at least, and I think those of us who are members should make an effort to discourage sharing elsewhere by stopping following the news feeds on facebook & twitter that show TA stuff, and/or letting them know that we're unfollowing them because of it.

If more of us are forced to join to see what's new and interesting, TA will be able to hire people to help make TA better - a developer to fix the site's bugs and optimization problems, another translator, a few folks to add old TA content back to the site maybe (like English translations of old making-of and video shoot reports) - and maybe TA could manufacture some of the TeamAyu goods that global fans never got a chance to buy, like the gel A-logo keychains or the multicolored shippo straps, that kind of thing.

I'd also like to see the BBS come back so that TeamAyu members on both sides of the world can communicate with one another, because I don't like that ayu fans feel like her attention has to be divided between them, and if one side wins, another side loses... promoting fan unity is a really really good idea, I think.

Were is the Like-Button^^

And because of the XOXO remix, it wasn´t TA exclusive stuff, it was just a damn stupid way to release it... I have the plug Air, installed the App but it didn´t work ><

[Earth_maiden]

^^^THIS. But the problem is, there will always be other members who are upset that they can't/won't join for whatever reason but still want to be able to see the exclusive stuff. And then the joining TA debate starts all over again.

[chocopockymaster]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I don't think avex will allocate more funds to making TA truly good until & unless people stop sharing things early, though.

And honestly, back when the club was Japan-only, I understood sharing stuff like the screensavers and magazine scans and photos and such... but now that it's open globally, I feel like AHS mods really should ban the sharing of TA stuff here at least, and I think those of us who are members should make an effort to discourage sharing elsewhere by stopping following the news feeds on facebook & twitter that show TA stuff, and/or letting them know that we're unfollowing them because of it.

If more of us are forced to join to see what's new and interesting, TA will be able to hire people to help make TA better - a developer to fix the site's bugs and optimization problems, another translator, a few folks to add old TA content back to the site maybe (like English translations of old making-of and video shoot reports) - and maybe TA could manufacture some of the TeamAyu goods that global fans never got a chance to buy, like the gel A-logo keychains or the multicolored shippo straps, that kind of thing.

I'd also like to see the BBS come back so that TeamAyu members on both sides of the world can communicate with one another, because I don't like that ayu fans feel like her attention has to be divided between them, and if one side wins, another side loses... promoting fan unity is a really really good idea, I think.

Can I nominate this for comment of the year, please???

[oaristos]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I don't think avex will allocate more funds to making TA truly good until & unless people stop sharing things early, though.

And honestly, back when the club was Japan-only, I understood sharing stuff like the screensavers and magazine scans and photos and such... but now that it's open globally, I feel like AHS mods really should ban the sharing of TA stuff here at least, and I think those of us who are members should make an effort to discourage sharing elsewhere by stopping following the news feeds on facebook & twitter that show TA stuff, and/or letting them know that we're unfollowing them because of it.

If more of us are forced to join to see what's new and interesting, TA will be able to hire people to help make TA better - a developer to fix the site's bugs and optimization problems, another translator, a few folks to add old TA content back to the site maybe (like English translations of old making-of and video shoot reports) - and maybe TA could manufacture some of the TeamAyu goods that global fans never got a chance to buy, like the gel A-logo keychains or the multicolored shippo straps, that kind of thing.

I'd also like to see the BBS come back so that TeamAyu members on both sides of the world can communicate with one another, because I don't like that ayu fans feel like her attention has to be divided between them, and if one side wins, another side loses... promoting fan unity is a really really good idea, I think.

I totally agree with you.

[Yumsushi]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I don't think avex will allocate more funds to making TA truly good until & unless people stop sharing things early, though.

And honestly, back when the club was Japan-only, I understood sharing stuff like the screensavers and magazine scans and photos and such... but now that it's open globally, I feel like AHS mods really should ban the sharing of TA stuff here at least, and I think those of us who are members should make an effort to discourage sharing elsewhere by stopping following the news feeds on facebook & twitter that show TA stuff, and/or letting them know that we're unfollowing them because of it.

If more of us are forced to join to see what's new and interesting, TA will be able to hire people to help make TA better - a developer to fix the site's bugs and optimization problems, another translator, a few folks to add old TA content back to the site maybe (like English translations of old making-of and video shoot reports) - and maybe TA could manufacture some of the TeamAyu goods that global fans never got a chance to buy, like the gel A-logo keychains or the multicolored shippo straps, that kind of thing.

I'd also like to see the BBS come back so that TeamAyu members on both sides of the world can communicate with one another, because I don't like that ayu fans feel like her attention has to be divided between them, and if one side wins, another side loses... promoting fan unity is a really really good idea, I think.

Agreed, but its really a double edged sword isn't it? If Avex doesn't put any money or effort into TA no one will care to be a member. Ayu should have some sort of say, after all this FC represents her but it seems to me that it's easier for her to go on a TA tour to make TA members feel special and make money off them at the same time.

I am under the impression that the Koda Kumi fanclub offers much more to global fans than TA, can someone confirm this? Is the membership fee comparable to that of TA? If so then why does her fanclub not have all these issues? Or does it?

[Corvina]

Kuu has two japanese FCs - her normal, Koda Gumi, for 4000 Yen for a year ans playroom, the mobile one, for 800 yen per month.
The international Koda Gumi costs 2000 Yen a year. And people joining get everything that's in the japanese Koda Gumi plus the stuff from playroom - minus the physical stuff (though the member magazine is digital for international FC). It's done in English, even the regular videos with messages of Kuu are subbed.
Basically the only big differences are the physical bonuses and that you have Tenso to use the FC shop.
Apart from that japanese fans actually have to pay more to get the same content (and being in both to have all). But it's easier for them to go see her e.g., so in the end it wages, I guess.
And from my experience, there isn't any bad blood to international fans or the FC.
Sharing FC content really isn't a big problem. Her big fan pages just share the most prominent infos, but also previews, songs and so on. Her video messages and the content of the three blogs (hers, her staff and her fashion one) are shared, but not in full content or always. Idk, it never really seemed to be a problem.
Don't know, how big Kuu's international fandom is. It seems more international fans are going to Ayu's tours in Japan. But that doesn't have to say something about how many there are.

TA had a very different system from the start and they do handle the new international FC a bit different than Kuu's.
In the end, I guess, it all goes down to Ayu's reactions amd interactions with international fans (her Twitter, when she was overseas, A World is One and so on). She has a different past regarding those. Also cause she's able to communicate fluently in English.

[Yumsushi]

Thanks for your input Corvina. So there really is no reason why TA shouldn't be well maintained if that's the case (other than Avex wanting a higher return that what they invest, but that's been the case with Ayu promotions and releases in the past few years hasn't it)

[koumori]

Originally Posted by attractive nausea

Which is why this kind of behavior can no longer be accepted on the forum and mods should delete any post openly sharing TA ~exclusive~ content, but i understand if this is too much work for them.

If people don't see it here, they'll just go elsewhere. It's pretty pointless banning it on one source when usually people are sharing it from elsewhere, like Twitter... unfortunately, we're in the digital age and things like photos, wallpapers and anything online is going to be at risk of leaking. I'm sure those who run TA understand that already.

Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN

They delete for much less, so...

To my knowledge, you have never contacted a mod about why a decision has been made. There's more to decisions than you realise and if you disagree with one, contact a moderator and talk about it. We're all people, sometimes we make mistakes, talking about us in this 'collective' changes nothing.

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I feel like AHS mods really should ban the sharing of TA stuff here at least

I said most of my opinion above really. It'd just be taking on an impossible, almost 24/7 task (since things would be shared again and again) which would make little difference to the overall issue.

I respect that people who are TA members dislike their timed exclusives being shared so quickly - this is just what happens when most of the content is digital and so easily shared on numerous websites within minutes of its upload. The moderators already get enough garbage thrown at them for being 'strict', this task seems like a lot of extra hate with little to no gain...

[Delirium-Zer0]

In the past when AHS mods have put a ban on things like JP music physically released in the states, members have done a good job of reporting it when it happens, discouraging it socially through their comments, etc. and mods have done a good job removing the offending posts until eventually it was a non-issue and, aside from brand-new members who didn't know the rules yet, the sharing did phase out after awhile.

I'm admittedly asking for a social shift to happen, but that shift CAN happen - and I've seen it happen at various forums, in various networks, and in various fandoms over the last 15 years. I'm optimistic that if everyone actually tries, then it will work and it won't take long.

Hearing about how Koda Gumi works, I'm not especially surprised.... it seems more and more like Kuu's people and Ayu's people just think of their respective fan clubs very differently. Ayu has, quite literally, been insulted by her fan club members in the past. Ayu's fan club members got nasty after CDL 01-02 so she had to close her TeamAyu BBS.

But I think the turning point was when she posted about Aneki's death, and PEOPLE READ EXCERPTS OF THAT POST ON TV NEWS. That was absolutely disastrous for the fan club. She was really upset by that. THAT is the kind of sharing that's sorta poisoned the well for us... if we share cover art or videos now, that counts against us as club members far more than other fan clubs, I think. I think that post getting publicly broadcast was a major blow to Ayu's faith in her fan club members keeping things "in the group." With things like the Summer diary PV, we're being tested (whether it's deliberate on Ayu & avex's part or not) and we fail EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[Surreal17]

What was the Team Ayu BBS?

[koumori]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

In the past when AHS mods have put a ban on things like JP music physically released in the states, members have done a good job of reporting it when it happens, discouraging it socially through their comments, etc. and mods have done a good job removing the offending posts until eventually it was a non-issue and, aside from brand-new members who didn't know the rules yet, the sharing did phase out after awhile.

Given this was a legal issue, it's entirely different. The moderator team was also larger and much more active back then.

I also think you're overreacting slightly about Avex/Ayu 'testing' the fanclub members. It only takes one to share the video and I think they realise that; digital content is near impossible to keep under wraps. We also don't have everything being shared here - like Ayu's diary entries, the gallery - the stuff being posted is mostly, if not all, stuff that is going to be shared later anyway. Surely this is a middle ground that both sides seem (mostly) happy with?

That said, I appreciate it's a hot topic at the moment and I've brought it up for discussion with the other active moderators, to see if we can do anything that is viable. Alongside my other worries, it will also alienate many from the forum when TA members get to discuss things that they can't; I hope most big shares on there will remain 'timed' exclusives so it doesn't split the community for too long...
I'm also of the mind that we're all TA, whether we can afford to pay for it or not. I thought the same when I was a member of TA. I've seen people here quickly change their minds on that when they finally join up, and it's sad that this issue is finally affecting AHS to such an amount. This global TA issue has brought more bad than good from my opinion... those who have money now are much more abrasive against those who can't join up.

I've seen people say it's not about the money, it's about respecting what Ayu wants to keep private, but those same people beg others to share leaks and what-not when those songs are not available on TA. It's just hypocrisy and makes me feel most of the argument is that the TA members (not all of them here) want to feel special, and seeing others here who are not a part of TA get to access exclusives makes them annoyed because of that..

[stivenoto]

Yes we understand your hard work as mods..

No matter what we are all TA. But there is something that everyone should wait before shared something from TA. In this case Summer Diary PV. TA got the PV first, but maybe if you want to share it, you should wait for several days. This PV being uploaded by Ayu on her youtube account after one or two days after they uploaded it for TA.

Is it really difficult to just wait for several days? Or the one who rip the video from TA, want to show off their power? " Hey i'm from TA, see i have this video"

I don't want to judge people. This is what i think.

If you want to shared, just shared a little bit of the screen shot or only audio... I think it will be okay.. But 5 minutes after they uploaded the videos, you shared it every where is a big no no.

[koumori]

Originally Posted by stivenoto

No matter what we are all TA. But there is something that everyone should wait before shared something from TA. In this case Summer Diary PV. TA got the PV first, but maybe if you want to share it, you should wait for several days. This PV being uploaded by Ayu on her youtube account after one or two days after they uploaded it for TA.

Is it really difficult to just wait for several days? Or the one who rip the video from TA, want to show off their power? " Hey i'm from TA, see i have this video"

This is something for the community to work on and decide what is okay. I personally feel that the most private things that Ayu wants to keep 'in the group' - her diary entries, exclusive photos - are kept mostly, if not all to TA these days. It's a big 'improvement' for those who are TA members compared to a few years ago when everything was shared, when members outside of Japan were much rarer.

I feel this has really been blown out of proportion a lot, but as I said, the moderators are currently discussing what we can do, what we feel is right to do.

[Pieces_of_SEVEN]

Originally Posted by Koumori

I've seen people say it's not about the money, it's about respecting what Ayu wants to keep private, but those same people beg others to share leaks and what-not when those songs are not available on TA. It's just hypocrisy and makes me feel most of the argument is that the TA members (not all of them here) want to feel special, and seeing others here who are not a part of TA get to access exclusives makes them annoyed because of that..

I have no desire to feel special because I'm a TA member. I joined to support ayu, for concert tickets, and the TA shop. BUT the content that I receive, whether it is a timed exclusive or something else, is something that is included in the price that I paid for my membership. If someone is asking for a song from iTunes or Spotify or something like that, it's not the same at all. What about a streaming site like KKBOX, where Sayonara came from? I was in the process of trying to rip it to post here at AHS, but found out that it is unavailable in my country. There was nothing else that I could do.

I generally also think that we are ALL TA; however, that DOES EXCLUDE people who are fair-weather fans or want EVERYTHING for free, including CD rips and whatnot. I don't think that's fair. I think a huge percentage of members on this forum are this type. Like, what's the ratio of total members on here to active (or even semi-active) posters? Anyone who joins immediately has access to all content shared here. I've been a member of forums in the past where to access their download section you would need to either have a certain amount of posts or be a member for a certain amount of time. Not a horrible idea.

I'd share TA content with a good friend who isn't able to join TA without a problem! Like, why not? BUT to distribute it publicly? Uploading PVs and other things to sites like youtube where Avex is OBVIOUSLY INEVITABLY going to find it and realize that a TA member shared it, or to put exclusive content up so that ANYONE can download it (as opposed to trusted forum members or whatever), now that's just not cool. It's actually embarrassing for me, as a TA member. Even more so being a global member, because I don't really think these types of things happened like this (correct me if I'm wrong) before TA went global.

I think it just depends on the situation. If Tell All (2015 Mix) had not been uploaded by the time I received my copy of A ONE, I would have uploaded it. That's understandable. But getting a PV early, even if by an hour, a day, a week, whatever, or something to that extent, it should be for the TA members for pay for those privileges. If you want perks like that, you can join also, or just wait until it's on youtube like the rest of the world.

[stivenoto]

Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN

I have no desire to feel special because I'm a TA member. I joined to support ayu, for concert tickets, and the TA shop. BUT the content that I receive, whether it is a timed exclusive or something else, is something that is included in the price that I paid for my membership. If someone is asking for a song from iTunes or Spotify or something like that, it's not the same at all. What about a streaming site like KKBOX, where Sayonara came from? I was in the process of trying to rip it to post here at AHS, but found out that it is unavailable in my country. There was nothing else that I could do.

I generally also think that we are ALL TA; however, that DOES EXCLUDE people who are fair-weather fans or want EVERYTHING for free, including CD rips and whatnot. I don't think that's fair. I think a huge percentage of members on this forum are this type. Like, what's the ratio of total members on here to active (or even semi-active) posters? Anyone who joins immediately has access to all content shared here. I've been a member of forums in the past where to access their download section you would need to either have a certain amount of posts or be a member for a certain amount of time. Not a horrible idea.

I'd share TA content with a good friend who isn't able to join TA without a problem! Like, why not? BUT to distribute it publicly? Uploading PVs and other things to sites like youtube where Avex is OBVIOUSLY INEVITABLY going to find it and realize that a TA member shared it, or to put exclusive content up so that ANYONE can download it (as opposed to trusted forum members or whatever), now that's just not cool. It's actually embarrassing for me, as a TA member. Even more so being a global member, because I don't really think these types of things happened like this (correct me if I'm wrong) before TA went global.

I think it just depends on the situation. If Tell All (2015 Mix) had not been uploaded by the time I received my copy of A ONE, I would have uploaded it. That's understandable. But getting a PV early, even if by an hour, a day, a week, whatever, or something to that extent, it should be for the TA members for pay for those privileges. If you want perks like that, you can join also, or just wait until it's on youtube like the rest of the world.

I agree with this... Maybe the moderators can change something on download section. Like 50 posts or more so you can access the download section. And make a rule that all the things that should be in download section can't be put to other place...