Ayu possibly leaving Twitter? (her Twitter is now a staff account)

[Delirium-Zer0]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

No one said she can't make mistakes.

Maybe they're not saying that outright, but comments online by people who say things like "I used to like her, but look at what she's become!" are basically saying that they hold that opinion. She hasn't "become" anything. She's just made mistakes in her personal life.

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

But it just ain't cool to act like an attention seeking teenager, write plain stupid things on twitter like "I hate you..." with a pic of yourself so that your whole fandome is like "what's wrong Ayu are you ok?", then say NOTHING AT ALL

I'm not gonna lie and say she doesn't sometimes vaguebook (or vague tweet) like an attention seeking teenager. To be fair, when she's in the USA, she's in LA. Having once lived there for five years myself & given that I still have many social ties to the area, I can say with some accuracy that that's... kind of the dominant culture there. Vague, attention-seeking comments are just kind of the norm among people in LA, especially those in any sort of entertainment business. Granted, Japanese people and most other fans globally aren't used to that kind of thing, but still... can you honestly expect Ayu's tweets to be THAT different from those of any other famous person (all, by definition, attention seekers)? ESPECIALLY since she's the type to be vague in her lyrics. I'd like to remind everyone here that we still have no true confirmation about who songs like "Memorial address" are about. We ONLY have conjecture, NOTHING from her mouth. Why is that okay and a vague tweet not okay? She tweets random musings, same as many writers & poets & musicians & even YouTubers do. Why can't we just enjoy tweets like "i hate you..." and discuss whether she means a former friend, herself, the haters as a general concept, etc? It's easier to assume, and by doing that, you put words into her mouth and you DO affect her relationships with other people around her. Can you imagine Ayu's husband coming across a bunch of rumors about divorce? They haven't been together long enough for him to be able to laugh it off easily, she probably has to reassure him that these comments aren't based in reality EVERY TIME THEY HAPPEN. That shouldn't be her responsibility, and if everyone was respectful of her privacy - leaving her alone to share what she wants to share and being satisfied with that - it wouldn't be.

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

and post a few days later a pic with you and your husband with a text that says "Goodbye my love" so that everyone out there is still alarmed what in the world happened to you and is asking if your relationship is over.

1) It's a picture of her hugging her husband and smiling. Because I know whenever I break up with someone, I tweet a photo of us clearly happy and in love. That's a very effective way of conveying that message.
2) The photo was tweeted at the the beginning of the only long break from the TA tour that she had scheduled. Four-day breaks between dates weren't long enough for her to see her husband, this one was. Makes sense for her husband to decide "You take breaks from your tours to come see me... I feel so neglected by this! Let's get divorced."
3) She said #goodbyemylove #hellomylove. She ended the tweet with #hellomylove. Goodbye to one love, hello to another. But that #hellomylove doesn't fit people's narrative of "ayu's love life is tumultuous and dramatic!" so they just ignore it I guess.

How did people see that tweet as meaning ANYTHING except "Goodbye to one love, my fans on my TA tour, but hello to my other love, my husband"? Honest to god it's like NO ONE used their brain or looked at context at all. They saw the ONE detail they wanted to see and it confirmed the ONE story they wanted it to tell. That's THEIR fault, NOT Ayu's, and I will NEVER fault her for that tweet. Not in a million years. I'll admit other times she messed up - marrying Mannie after only knowing him for 3 months was very very much a mistake, and I'm not gonna excuse stuff like that. That was a major life decision that she was very reckless with. But a tweet like the above? Nope, that's fine. She's totally allowed to do those imho.

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Then you're not just pissed about messages that are mean, no you're pissed about your whole fandom. You're pissed about all the people who like you so much that they care to follow you on twitter and write you messages if everythin's ok. Your fandome just thinks you may get a divorce because of the immature stuff you posted and wants to know wat's going on. But instead of appreciating that there are actually people out there who care about what you write and take it seriously, you blame them for it and call them out in public. Honestly, that's very low.

To be fair we have no idea the extent of the criticism Ayu receives, nor how her mind perceives it. If you're a sensitive person, it's hard not to dwell on the criticism. It's no wonder Ayu loves performing so much because it's a whole huge room full of people who are cheering for you. There's not any criticism to magnify. But on something like twitter, if you see something negative in a sea of happy comments, the negative one just seems to stand out, like a big blinking red light in the middle of a pretty blue sky. And if she sees a ton of big blinking red lights day in & day out - don't forget, there's a whole bunch of negativity out there written in a language most of us don't speak fluently, and we have no idea how bad it might be - it may really get to her.

And if it does, then leaving twitter is the right thing for her. I don't know if it was something she decided to do on her own or if her staff insisted on it... but if the latter is the case, it's because someone behind the scenes was worried about the effect it was having on her to see it.

Then there's the fact that... Okay. When you're totally 100% okay, but someone asks you if you're okay, what's your reaction to that? Be honest.

For nearly EVERYONE I know, myself included, the HONEST answer to that question would NOT be a positive one. My sister has resting bitch face in a major way, so when she's happy but she's very focused on something and looks angry, it's really REALLY annoying for her when people ask if she's okay. When I'm fine but someone in my circle of friends says I seem sad, but really I'm just quiet, I get upset because it seems like they don't really know me at all. I know others who feel similarly... One surefire way to get someone angry is to tell a them to calm down or ask what their problem is when there's no problem.

Asking someone if they're okay can often seem patronizing, or as though it's out of pity rather than genuine concern.

And then there's the general attitude towards Ayu's love life in the years since 2007. Look at the way people have talked about Ayu's relationships since Tomoya Nagase... With Nagase the rumors were all pregnancy, marriage, moving in together, etc. But with everyone since then it's been divorce, emotional abuse, criticism, etc. And this was even before Ayu & Manny got divorced, too. It's almost like the tabloids and her fans alike went from wanting her to be happy to wanting her to be unhappy overnight.

Admittedly, she probably reads too much into people asking if she's okay as a result of that shift. But can THIS fandom really criticize Ayu for reading too much into things? Especially when these comments are attacks on her personally - Ayu tweeting about her life or her relationships is not an attack on us. Ayu stopping tweeting is NOT an attack on us, either, it's a defensive maneuver. A turtle isn't attacking when it hides in its shell. If a turtle hides, it would serve us all best to wonder if maybe we poked it with a stick one too many times.

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I'm not gonna lie and say she doesn't sometimes vaguebook (or vague tweet) like an attention seeking teenager. To be fair, when she's in the USA, she's in LA. Having once lived there for five years myself & given that I still have many social ties to the area, I can say with some accuracy that that's... kind of the dominant culture there. Vague, attention-seeking comments are just kind of the norm among people in LA, especially those in any sort of entertainment business. Granted, Japanese people and most other fans globally aren't used to that kind of thing, but still... can you honestly expect Ayu's tweets to be THAT different from those of any other famous person (all, by definition, attention seekers)? ESPECIALLY since she's the type to be vague in her lyrics. I'd like to remind everyone here that we still have no true confirmation about who songs like "Memorial address" are about. We ONLY have conjecture, NOTHING from her mouth. Why is that okay and a vague tweet not okay? She tweets random musings, same as many writers & poets & musicians & even YouTubers do. Why can't we just enjoy tweets like "i hate you..." and discuss whether she means a former friend, herself, the haters as a general concept, etc? It's easier to assume, and by doing that, you put words into her mouth and you DO affect her relationships with other people around her. Can you imagine Ayu's husband coming across a bunch of rumors about divorce? They haven't been together long enough for him to be able to laugh it off easily, she probably has to reassure him that these comments aren't based in reality EVERY TIME THEY HAPPEN. That shouldn't be her responsibility, and if everyone was respectful of her privacy - leaving her alone to share what she wants to share and being satisfied with that - it wouldn't be.

There is a difference between lyrics and a twitter comment. Lyrics are just lyrics and we can't even be sure that all of them are about her personal experiences. Discussing lyrics as some kind of artistry and discussing a personal tweet are two different things. And I don't really know why I try to explain that. Because I get the feeling you just want to defend her because you want to defend her.
Ayu is a japanese woman, even if her attention seeking posts are LA inspired I believe she knows her own culture good enough to know japanese people won't see it that way.
And personally I don't see how I should interpret anything poetic into a tweet like "I hate you..".
And I don't remember any other artist I follow being such an attention seeking teen like Ayu is nowadays. I'm just sick of it and can't stand it anymore.
If you want to defend her immature behaviour just for the sake of defending her, you can do that. I'm actually glad that there are still people who do that. I honestly try since all the drama stuff started in 2012 to do the same. I even send her a lot of supportive and encouraging tweets in the past. But I'm at a point where I just can't stand her persona in social media anymore. She decided to make a lot of attention seeking posts a lot of times before. Everytime it creates drama over drama. If it would have happened once or twice, well everyone makes mistakes. But she makes the same stupid mistake again and again and in the end always pitying herself.
She is not anyones best friend out there when it comes to her fans. She can't expect the public to read all those posts and to know exactly what's going on. If course people speculate about it. A lot if them do that because they actually care about her.

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

1) It's a picture of her hugging her husband and smiling. Because I know whenever I break up with someone, I tweet a photo of us clearly happy and in love. That's a very effective way of conveying that message.
2) The photo was tweeted at the the beginning of the only long break from the TA tour that she had scheduled. Four-day breaks between dates weren't long enough for her to see her husband, this one was. Makes sense for her husband to decide "You take breaks from your tours to come see me... I feel so neglected by this! Let's get divorced."
3) She said #goodbyemylove #hellomylove. She ended the tweet with #hellomylove. Goodbye to one love, hello to another. But that #hellomylove doesn't fit people's narrative of "ayu's love life is tumultuous and dramatic!" so they just ignore it I guess.

How did people see that tweet as meaning ANYTHING except "Goodbye to one love, my fans on my TA tour, but hello to my other love, my husband"? Honest to god it's like NO ONE used their brain or looked at context at all. They saw the ONE detail they wanted to see and it confirmed the ONE story they wanted it to tell. That's THEIR fault, NOT Ayu's, and I will NEVER fault her for that tweet. Not in a million years. I'll admit other times she messed up - marrying Mannie after only knowing him for 3 months was very very much a mistake, and I'm not gonna excuse stuff like that. That was a major life decision that she was very reckless with. But a tweet like the above? Nope, that's fine. She's totally allowed to do those imho.

People got it wrong because it's not the first time she would have done something like that. It also could have meant she and her husband seperated, she is sad about it because she was happy with him but because of whatever reason they just can't be a couple. But to add a positive note to it, she also wrote #hellomylove to tell people that she's sure she will find a new love one day and never gives up. And the "I hate you..." tweet with a pic of herself also perfectly fits. Because a few days later she could have blamed herself to messed it up again.
Totally something that sounds like her to be honest.
So it IS her fault when she's writing something like this that people get it wrong.

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

To be fair we have no idea the extent of the criticism Ayu receives, nor how her mind perceives it. If you're a sensitive person, it's hard not to dwell on the criticism. It's no wonder Ayu loves performing so much because it's a whole huge room full of people who are cheering for you. There's not any criticism to magnify. But on something like twitter, if you see something negative in a sea of happy comments, the negative one just seems to stand out, like a big blinking red light in the middle of a pretty blue sky. And if she sees a ton of big blinking red lights day in & day out - don't forget, there's a whole bunch of negativity out there written in a language most of us don't speak fluently, and we have no idea how bad it might be - it may really get to her.

And if it does, then leaving twitter is the right thing for her. I don't know if it was something she decided to do on her own or if her staff insisted on it... but if the latter is the case, it's because someone behind the scenes was worried about the effect it was having on her to see it.

Then there's the fact that... Okay. When you're totally 100% okay, but someone asks you if you're okay, what's your reaction to that? Be honest.

For nearly EVERYONE I know, myself included, the HONEST answer to that question would NOT be a positive one. My sister has resting bitch face in a major way, so when she's happy but she's very focused on something and looks angry, it's really REALLY annoying for her when people ask if she's okay. When I'm fine but someone in my circle of friends says I seem sad, but really I'm just quiet, I get upset because it seems like they don't really know me at all. I know others who feel similarly... One surefire way to get someone angry is to tell a them to calm down or ask what their problem is when there's no problem.

Asking someone if they're okay can often seem patronizing, or as though it's out of pity rather than genuine concern.

And then there's the general attitude towards Ayu's love life in the years since 2007. Look at the way people have talked about Ayu's relationships since Tomoya Nagase... With Nagase the rumors were all pregnancy, marriage, moving in together, etc. But with everyone since then it's been divorce, emotional abuse, criticism, etc. And this was even before Ayu & Manny got divorced, too. It's almost like the tabloids and her fans alike went from wanting her to be happy to wanting her to be unhappy overnight.

Admittedly, she probably reads too much into people asking if she's okay as a result of that shift. But can THIS fandom really criticize Ayu for reading too much into things? Especially when these comments are attacks on her personally - Ayu tweeting about her life or her relationships is not an attack on us. Ayu stopping tweeting is NOT an attack on us, either, it's a defensive maneuver. A turtle isn't attacking when it hides in its shell. If a turtle hides, it would serve us all best to wonder if maybe we poked it with a stick one too many times.

I don't get that argument. Because people are not asking out of nowhere if she's ok. She just posted a comment with a pic of her that seems to say she hates herself. And I'm being honest: no I won't be mad. If I look sad but I'm not and someone asks me about it I would he happy they care. And in case I would write something like "I hate you..." that is directed at myself at twitter or facebook and people would ask what's wrong because they don't want me to hate myself, that would be totally fine with me.
And to be honest again: if a friend of mine would post something like that, I would be VERY worried and alarmed that something is VERY wrong.
There are two reasons for me why Ayu could have written that. First she's just attention seeking and wants to pity herself again. Or she really has a problem and needs help. But because I don't want to analyze her private life that much without actually knowing her in person, I go with option one. And in the end I'm her fan and not her therapist.
Being artistic and poetic in lyics is totally fine and that's what I always loved her for.
Because when reading her lyrics I'm "interacting" with the artist and not the person who wrote the lyrics. But on twitter Ayu isn't the artist, she is just being herself. And there are some things you should have learned to keep private when you're an adult.

If you don't see it that way, you don't see it that way. It's nice to see that there are people who still defend her and her behaviour in every way.
I can't do that anymore even though I tried. But for me she crossed the line a lot of times now so that I'm simply annoyed by her social media persona and that never happened with any other artist I like before. I makes me sad to be honest.