Bilibili Macro Link 2021

[RealLight]

Originally Posted by freedreamer

is that actually LIVE? coz that was amazing wow!!

She's not lip syncing, but this is definitely pre-recorded, she's pretty much on key 90% of the time, so that's a giveaway.

Originally Posted by Zeke.

At 0:10 of this clip, the “ne” part of “nemuri,” sounds EXACTLY like her old vocals. Like as if from the studio mp3 itself. It struck me very suddenly. The rest is good, but obviously sung in a more childish tone.

Listen to that moment at 0:10 and tell me if you hear it too.

Sounds like it a lot, probably because they retouched it (but I'm sure it's not the same as the studio track)

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by RealLight

She's not lip syncing, but this is definitely pre-recorded, she's pretty much on key 90% of the time, so that's a giveaway

Yes!
Everything has been prerecorded and edited since the pandemic (minus the Christmas live... and it showed) to make her sound almost perfect as in most live releases.
She could be offkey all the way and we wouldn't know unfortunately.
Crossing fingers her voice is indeed not so far from the result.
The latest Life unedited vocals (from the Return concert) were ok with noticeable offkey parts.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

Yes!
Everything has been prerecorded and edited since the pandemic (minus the Christmas live... and it showed) to make her sound almost perfect as in most live releases.
She could be offkey all the way and we wouldn't know unfortunately.
Crossing fingers her voice is indeed not so far from the result.
The latest Life unedited vocals (from the Return concert) were ok with noticeable offkey parts.

I think that sometimes there is no salvaging stuff and no amount of post production can help. I can vouch that she’s sounded amazing in Saitama in Feb last year and its obvious she’s doing something about her voice.

[summerain]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I think that sometimes there is no salvaging stuff and no amount of post production can help. I can vouch that she’s sounded amazing in Saitama in Feb last year and its obvious she’s doing something about her voice.

POWER of A^3 is a very good example of that. Editing made the concert better, but it's clear she's struggling a lot to sing during the whole show. That's not the case of these 2021 and 2021 concerts.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by summerain

POWER of A^3 is a very good example of that. Editing made the concert better, but it's clear she's struggling a lot to sing during the whole show. That's not the case of these 2021 and 2021 concerts.

Absolutely + the CDL 2007-2008 where she sounded horrible even on DVD.

[summerain]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Absolutely + the CDL 2007-2008 where she sounded horrible even on DVD.

It's funny because she sounded bad most of the time, but I remember she sang Together When..., untitled and Sotsugyou Shashin greatly even during the original broadcast.

[RealLight]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Absolutely + the CDL 2007-2008 where she sounded horrible even on DVD.

Wat

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I think that sometimes there is no salvaging stuff and no amount of post production can help. I can vouch that she’s sounded amazing in Saitama in Feb last year and its obvious she’s doing something about her voice.

I don't know... As regards being offkey, I believe editing can do wonders. I don't remember which live it was (but an old one) and I compared both versions (edited/unedited), it was just day and night. Without her sounding robotic or over edited (like some later shows).
If they could have such results 20-10 years ago I have no doubt they can correct everything they want by now.

As I said the live version of Life really stands out (not in a good way) among all the other edited renditions of the last concert.

[summerain]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I don't know... As regards being offkey, I believe editing can do wonders. I don't remember which live it was (but an old one) and I compared both versions (edited/unedited), it was just day and night. Without her sounding robotic or over edited (like some later shows).
If they could have such results 20-10 years ago I have no doubt they can correct everything they want by now.

As I said the live version of Life really stands out (not in a good way) among all the other edited renditions of the last concert.

I really think she sound good in Life. She's off-key during some parts, but most of the time it sounds good and stable to me.

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by summerain

I really think she sound good in Life. She's off-key during some parts, but most of the time it sounds good and stable to me.

I think it's obviously been far worse in the past but she's still quite far from sounding good to me (in that particular performance). Too many offkey parts throughout the whole song. In that regard it's really contrasting with the edited versions of the other songs where (almost?) everything is on key and where she seems to hit every single note effortlessly.

That's what I mean when I say you can't really judge from prerecorded live versions. With ayu the difference between edited and unedited has been pretty noticeable. Above all when the source material wasn't great to begin with.

I would say she's still trying not to scream and have more control which is definitely a good thing to carry on. And we all heard good improvements with the last non-edited Promised Land. Hope it's going on like that. At least it shows she is really focusing on vocals these days.

[summerain]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I think it's obviously been far worse in the past but she's still quite far from sounding good to me (in that particular performance). Too many offkey parts throughout the whole song. In that regard it's really contrasting with the edited versions of the other songs where (almost?) everything is on key and where she seems to hit every single note effortlessly.

That's what I mean when I say you can't really judge from prerecorded live versions. With ayu the difference between edited and unedited has been pretty noticeable. Above all when the source material wasn't great to begin with.

I would say she's still trying not to scream and have more control which is definitely a good thing to carry on. And we all heard good improvements with the last non-edited Promised Land. Hope it's going on like that. At least it shows she is really focusing on vocals these days.

Well, we have cases like that since I remember being a fan of her, specially during Countdown Lives (as we usually didn't have access to unedited Arena Tour recordings). I remember how different she sounded during Endless sorrow @ CDL 05-06, with a lot of editing to make her sound on-key at the DVD version.

My point is, considering all the circumstances and given her actual condition, I think she sounds as good as she can and she's not struggling or shouting a lot. Also, her singing difficulties aren't on her way to convey emotions during the performance (different from POA^3, when she was too disturbed, probably because she couldn't her herself properly). I'm personally satisfied with that, but I know it's subjective.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

I don't know... As regards being offkey, I believe editing can do wonders. I don't remember which live it was (but an old one) and I compared both versions (edited/unedited), it was just day and night. Without her sounding robotic or over edited (like some later shows).
If they could have such results 20-10 years ago I have no doubt they can correct everything they want by now.

As I said the live version of Life really stands out (not in a good way) among all the other edited renditions of the last concert.

When she is releasing a concert with multiple dates, they can easily just edit the best vocal parts of each date to make her sound overall better. If it's a stand alone performance, there's not as much material to work with.

That being said, there's no amount of editing that can save absolutelly horrible vocais without it sounding robotic or over-edited. If she sounds decent post editing, the original sound needed to be somewhat good aswell.

[hidekirby]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

That being said, there's no amount of editing that can save absolutelly horrible vocais without it sounding robotic or over-edited. If she sounds decent post editing, the original sound needed to be somewhat good aswell.

What I just explained is that they can easily fix every offkey parts without it sounding too robotic (like the last lives for example). They've been doing this for ages.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

What I just explained is that they can easily fix every offkey parts without it sounding too robotic (like the last lives for example). They've been doing this for ages.

It strikes me as very weird that you keep insisting on this. I’ve seen ayu live 11 times so far and she has never needed so much fixing. There were always particular songs where you knew she would scream or go off key, but that was it. Sometimes she sounds better and there are times she struggles, sometimes she is doing great.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by hidekirby

What I just explained is that they can easily fix every offkey parts without it sounding too robotic (like the last lives for example). They've been doing this for ages.

If she sounds too bad, there's just so much that can be done without it sounding robotic. If the recorded live was way too bad, something that did happen to her in the past, and the recorded release sounded decent and not robotic, they most likely got the audio, or parts of it, from another date.

If she has less dates to take audio from, it's harder to get good takes. She could just record the song on studio and use that to fix a really bad vocal aswell, but it will depend on how far she is willing to go for a less flawed result on the recorded release.