Ayu on Twitter [V]

[lividlillies]

Originally Posted by panda♥

what TA is doing is unfair imo, not the other way around. they're being so selfish. :/

This. After a certain point, money doesn't justify acting like a spoiled kid.

[Taki]

I'm sure she don't leave Twitter because of fans who don't like it
If they paid for membership it's not meens they are bought her
If she leave it will be her decision only
So I'm do not worry about it at all

[truehappiness]

Wow, Ayu seriously is getting hammered with tweets.

A few thousand in the span of a 10 minutes or so!

[tasking]

How can you tell, th? Do you just do a search for Ayu's twitter name?

My friend *****ed earlier tonight because I kept spamming Ayu. Now I can show her and say "THIS IS WHY." LOL

[emi♡]

^yeah, search "@ayu_19980408"

I do it for most of my artists to see how many people are tweeting them and whether I need to spam or not lol

[ayupan90]

oh man, I've missed more drama XD can someone update me please??

[LacusClyne]

now before you guys start to think the it's the TA fans who are bashing international fans, have you ever thought of the following:

1: not all the japanese are TA members, those TA members who are complaining might be because they have friends(non-TA members) and these non TA JAPANESE fans might be saying something to the TA fans that make them feel that the money they paid is not that worth?

2: Have you thought that the angry TA fans might not be japanese? but it's the international fans?
Some of the TA members are from other countries, and they have to pay extra money to get the membership and shipping for their TA magazines, compare to the japanese who get the magazine 100% free.
I know of a friend in singapore who joined TA, but she's now regretting and not feeling her money worth(if you are thinking about this, YES, she is one of the people who wrote to ayu to complain)
Like most of the international fans, she does not understand japanese well, and she mainly read ayu's diary for the pictures, but now that more and more people are reposting the contents, with pictures and translation) onto the internet, she feel stupid paying the un-needed money. For TA magazines, you can buy them on the internet too.

As for the concert lottery part, MOST of the time it is useless to international fans, as we are not staying in japan.

The remaining benefit is to order TA goods and able to send ayu long messages.

and now with twiter, more international fans are able to talk to ayu and let ayu read theimessage and even get a reply.

From her view, what is the point of her paying so much money to join TA? when the non paying people get more then her, what is so good about TA?

That's what she explained me when i told her off earlier. I was quite upset to know that she's actually one of those who send the message! After she told me the above reason, i kind of understand her point, but i disagree with her jealousy.

I thought i should post this, before everyone start bashing the japanese TA when the truth is, one of the person is actually international TA fan. (-_-)

[aura~]

But in fact this wasn't a war between TA and foreign fans, it's just TA vs Twitter, cause all drama started for a recent tweet...

and ayu has been like weeks without answering in english, just 2-4 tweets in english maybe...

So in fact that info she said was to a japanese fan... and the war isn't with us but with twitter in general...

the thing is that for foreign fans twitter means a looot more than for japanese cause this has been our first and only way to be close to her and it's sad that some japanese fans (TA or not) can't realize that and maybe make ayu think about quit twitter...

Ayu herself said, when she first had to answer TA members, that she created twitter to be able to communicate with us, and at the same time with Japanese fans... At the end 90% of her tweets are in japanese... and we aren't complaining...

I wish TA could understand what twitter means... and not only for us... It's also an oportunity for them to get direct reply from Ayu!! That, plus ALL TA benefits!! Why they complain??

As TA member, I pay they same amount as them, even knowing I can't get some of the benefits they have most of the time, and I don't feel twitter makes TA useless... (Being sincere, the only thing that attacks TA is the fact that we always share her messages and the contents immediately... but I was part of it, so I can't complain XDD Altough I can understand some people and TA members feel it's useless to pay when other members share the contents and her messages for free, as Lacus said, th enly thing left is tickets, TA gifts, magazines and sned messages to Ayu and some timeee to tiimeee opportunity to be in a TV program or appear in a PV-...)

With all that, I really think the war is TA vs. twitter... though twitter is nothing compared to what I said about members sharing for free...

To add sth to the discussion, I wish Ayu would tweet more in english... I don't know if the amount of japanese tweets cover ours or she just decides to tweet only japanese fans, or what... But I wish she would... that's one ofthe main reasons she created twitter right?? I feel like when she has a release or has some tour importants concerts (like the first and last ones) she just tweets in japanese... that happened in July, with MOON release, and since crossroad, L and 7days final I can't barely see any english tweet...


And that "ayu tweeting more to some people" thing... I think I'm one of thosw people who gets reply more often (but not as much as crea_spain or that japanese girl shi_luv), and I can understand people would complain, and japanese fan getting mad because they are the ones that are there and all that... But I've to say that they are not the ones who decided 1 day before to go to london IN CASE we could see Ayu spending a lot of money, or that were the whole summer working hard to spend all that money in a 2 weeks trip to see ayu for the first time in concert...

Of course everyone does what they can do, and japanese fans doesn't need to sacrifice or spend that much... But I think it's logical that Ayu notices some fans that sacrifice and spend a lot to travel to japan or london and see her (What jorge -crea_spain- spends since AT 2009 to travel to japan every time is crazy! he's able to do that, and Ayu noticed him. Lot of people spend a lot of money on her and sacrifice a lot, it's just that ayu notices....)

(OMG sorry for this block of text XDDD)

[Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~]

TA trolls..

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by LacusClyne

now before you guys start to think the it's the TA fans who are bashing international fans, have you ever thought of the following:

1: not all the japanese are TA members, those TA members who are complaining might be because they have friends(non-TA members) and these non TA JAPANESE fans might be saying something to the TA fans that make them feel that the money they paid is not that worth?

2: Have you thought that the angry TA fans might not be japanese? but it's the international fans?
Some of the TA members are from other countries, and they have to pay extra money to get the membership and shipping for their TA magazines, compare to the japanese who get the magazine 100% free.
I know of a friend in singapore who joined TA, but she's now regretting and not feeling her money worth(if you are thinking about this, YES, she is one of the people who wrote to ayu to complain)
Like most of the international fans, she does not understand japanese well, and she mainly read ayu's diary for the pictures, but now that more and more people are reposting the contents, with pictures and translation) onto the internet, she feel stupid paying the un-needed money. For TA magazines, you can buy them on the internet too.

As for the concert lottery part, MOST of the time it is useless to international fans, as we are not staying in japan.

The remaining benefit is to order TA goods and able to send ayu long messages.

and now with twiter, more international fans are able to talk to ayu and let ayu read theimessage and even get a reply.

From her view, what is the point of her paying so much money to join TA? when the non paying people get more then her, what is so good about TA?

That's what she explained me when i told her off earlier. I was quite upset to know that she's actually one of those who send the message! After she told me the above reason, i kind of understand her point, but i disagree with her jealousy.

I thought i should post this, before everyone start bashing the japanese TA when the truth is, one of the person is actually international TA fan. (-_-)

1. If someone is saying something that makes them feel that it's not worth the money, it has nothing to do with twitter. "Oh, Ayu talks to her fans on twitter, so all of a sudden my TA account is worthless." Give me a break! The Japanese still get all those other perks and if they paid $60/month (or whatever it is) just for information, then yeah, they are wasting their money and they don't appreciate their other advantages.

2. TA is not officially international yet. That means Ayu and Avex do not have to cater to those who join from other countries. If you're not getting the full benefits of Japanese fans then that's just something you should have realized before you joined. Of course you have to pay for the shipping for your magazines, of course the ticket lottery is meaningless, of course you have to put out more money than necessary and Ayu's diary entry doesn't amount up to much since we can not only get them here, but get translations. You can send messages to Ayu and now you can send tweets. So yeah, you would have to have considered the pros as well as the cons of joining TA without any international recognition. And if you didn't, and you're complaining, well it's your own damn fault for not realizing.

Seriously sick of the complaining, NO ONE IN TA HAS ANY REASON TO COMPLAIN. Japanese or non-Japanese. If you feel it isn't worth it because of a few tweets, cancel your membership. But don't blame Ayu for wanting to get closer to ALL of her fans. She has made every effort to try and balance the situation (no personal photos, no official announcements etc.). And even if she did slip up once (this issue, which I don't see how she did), it's not worth being rude about. Just say ask her to be more careful from now on. There's ways to get your point across without coming off as a spoiled, ungrateful brat. THAT'S the problem here.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by tasking

How can you tell, th? Do you just do a search for Ayu's twitter name?

My friend *****ed earlier tonight because I kept spamming Ayu. Now I can show her and say "THIS IS WHY." LOL

You search @ayu_19980408 and then watch tweets come in.

Like not even 2 minutes after I started a search, I got "325 new tweets have been made since you started searching"... it was crazy!

[emi♡]

@aura: I agree. It does seem to be more TA against Twitter.

And I too wish they could understand what it means for us...

But I still think they are being petty. Even if international fans didn't exist, and it was all simply in Japan. Twitter would then be for any Japanese fans not apart of TA, and honestly, like, as much as I would always advocate for International TA, I still think it's very honorable for a celebrity to have something like Twitter, that is free, and serves as a connection between them and all fans.

I still think they should be happy for that connection, and that they should not be upset with it.



but anyway, it is sad she has been tweeting in English less and less.

About her tweeting to certain people. Honestly, her paying attention to aura or crea_spain never bothered me. I think that's great. I think it's ridiculous for people to be upset at something like that, because the root of it is such common jealousy.

They're only upset because it isn't them. Another thing is that, we could not have asked for more gracious people to represent us, her international fan base.

Even though I have not been that close with you, aura, or crea_spain, though I've known him longer, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind, that you guys are exactly the people we need to be seen, and heard by Ayu, and I know that you guys, would never abuse your dispositions in any way, and I know that you would always help us in gaining more recognition with her.

I also have a lot of faith and trust, that you guys have a lot of wisdom, and that, in having any communication with Ayu, in any of these "controversial" matters, as in sending messages through TA and such, that you would always do the best job, never degrading or insulting anyone, and always, as I said, being kind and gracious.


This is why, anyone, who has any scruples in Ayu tweeting certain people, and especially those I have mentioned, can stfu. I'm very happy that people at AHS have not had problems with it.

ah my post is long. Forgive me, I've been watching the Tudors for like the last 4 hours.

[Misa-chan]

Originally Posted by LacusClyne

now before you guys start to think the it's the TA fans who are bashing international fans, have you ever thought of the following:

1: not all the japanese are TA members, those TA members who are complaining might be because they have friends(non-TA members) and these non TA JAPANESE fans might be saying something to the TA fans that make them feel that the money they paid is not that worth?

2: Have you thought that the angry TA fans might not be japanese? but it's the international fans?
Some of the TA members are from other countries, and they have to pay extra money to get the membership and shipping for their TA magazines, compare to the japanese who get the magazine 100% free.
I know of a friend in singapore who joined TA, but she's now regretting and not feeling her money worth(if you are thinking about this, YES, she is one of the people who wrote to ayu to complain)
Like most of the international fans, she does not understand japanese well, and she mainly read ayu's diary for the pictures, but now that more and more people are reposting the contents, with pictures and translation) onto the internet, she feel stupid paying the un-needed money. For TA magazines, you can buy them on the internet too.

As for the concert lottery part, MOST of the time it is useless to international fans, as we are not staying in japan.

The remaining benefit is to order TA goods and able to send ayu long messages.

and now with twiter, more international fans are able to talk to ayu and let ayu read theimessage and even get a reply.

From her view, what is the point of her paying so much money to join TA? when the non paying people get more then her, what is so good about TA?

That's what she explained me when i told her off earlier. I was quite upset to know that she's actually one of those who send the message! After she told me the above reason, i kind of understand her point, but i disagree with her jealousy.

I thought i should post this, before everyone start bashing the japanese TA when the truth is, one of the person is actually international TA fan. (-_-)

I understand. I'm in TA and overseas as well. Chances to appear in PVs/concert ticket lotteries don't apply to me. Even if I get free gifts when I buy her releases, the shipping back to my country is a bomb I don't even want to talk about. So the only real advantage I get is:

1) First-hand info
2) TA diary access

So if

1) Twitter gets info before TA
2) There's another "Misa-chan" out there providing free translations of TA diary

I don't see the point of joining TA at all (of course that's just talking about the $$ side, many people will still join just to support ayu). So I won't blame your friend for not seeing the worth of TA anymore. But I don't think complaining to ayu will change things. She's already really careful not to post too much over at Twitter, and unless TA diary translations stop as well, there's really no good solution to this problem.

Besides, how would you know the people complaining on Twitter are TA fans? Some may be just normal Japanese wanting to get a piece of action.

[panda♥]

even if it is more TA vs Twitter, all of the complaining is driving Ayu away from tweeting in english anymore, and it shouldn't be that way. it's unfair for her to have to "pick sides".

[asmAyumi1992]

Originally Posted by Misa-chan

I understand. I'm in TA and overseas as well. Chances to appear in PVs/concert ticket lotteries don't apply to me. Even if I get free gifts when I buy her releases, the shipping back to my country is a bomb I don't even want to talk about. So the only real advantage I get is:

1) First-hand info
2) TA diary access

So if

1) Twitter gets info before TA
2) There's another "Misa-chan" out there providing free translations of TA diary

I'm glad there's no another "Misa-chan". u're the greatest

[C+R+E+AYUMI]

so in the end it applying TA doesn't worth the money no more..I'm not a tA memere but i always had the infos even translated maybe a few minutes after TA diary was edited so i do understand TA members' complaining.

[Suteisi]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

1. If someone is saying something that makes them feel that it's not worth the money, it has nothing to do with twitter. "Oh, Ayu talks to her fans on twitter, so all of a sudden my TA account is worthless." Give me a break! The Japanese still get all those other perks and if they paid $60/month (or whatever it is) just for information, then yeah, they are wasting their money and they don't appreciate their other advantages.

2. TA is not officially international yet. That means Ayu and Avex do not have to cater to those who join from other countries. If you're not getting the full benefits of Japanese fans then that's just something you should have realized before you joined. Of course you have to pay for the shipping for your magazines, of course the ticket lottery is meaningless, of course you have to put out more money than necessary and Ayu's diary entry doesn't amount up to much since we can not only get them here, but get translations. You can send messages to Ayu and now you can send tweets. So yeah, you would have to have considered the pros as well as the cons of joining TA without any international recognition. And if you didn't, and you're complaining, well it's your own damn fault for not realizing.

Seriously sick of the complaining, NO ONE IN TA HAS ANY REASON TO COMPLAIN. Japanese or non-Japanese. If you feel it isn't worth it because of a few tweets, cancel your membership. But don't blame Ayu for wanting to get closer to ALL of her fans. She has made every effort to try and balance the situation (no personal photos, no official announcements etc.). And even if she did slip up once (this issue, which I don't see how she did), it's not worth being rude about. Just say ask her to be more careful from now on. There's ways to get your point across without coming off as a spoiled, ungrateful brat. THAT'S the problem here.

Agreed 100%.

A while back when aura made a thread on AHS on "how to join TA for international fans" I seriously considered doing it.

But then I thought: Wait. I can get TA Mags on eBay. And I can get TA Diary entries translated on AHS. I don't live in Japan, so there's no point for the lottery. If I REALLY want an item from Mu-Mo or TA I can get it through middle-man or on eBay later.

That is when I said "No, it's not worth it for me".

Everyone has their own reasons for joining TA. But at this point said friend of LacusClyne is complaining about really silly things. As jbrat mentioned, she should have thought about it before joining. Exactly as I did. THINK AND PROCESS, do pros and cons, you should do that with practically everything in life. ESPECIALLY when it involves money.

I don't understand how being mad at Ayu/Avex/twitter fans/international fans will do ANYTHING and/or give her her money back.

I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, I don't mean to, but I find this really immature.


Make a TA International. Problem solve. Geez.

[Misa-chan]

Originally Posted by Suteisi

Everyone has their own reasons for joining TA. But at this point said friend of LacusClyne is complaining about really silly things. As jbrat mentioned, she should have thought about it before joining. Exactly as I did. THINK AND PROCESS, do pros and cons, you should do that with practically everything in life. ESPECIALLY when it involves money.

I don't understand how being mad at Ayu/Avex/twitter fans/international fans will do ANYTHING and/or give her her money back.

I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, I don't mean to, but I find this really immature.


Make a TA International. Problem solve. Geez.

I'm sure Lacus' friend had been an ayu fan and TA member long before all this business with Twitter started. If not, then yeah, you have a point there.

Besides, I think creating an international TA is easier said than done. Lots of logistics to go through. All the marketing required. They need to expand their shipping. Rethink the benefits like concert ticket lottery to include foreign fans. How profitable will it all turn out to be?

And the most important, the entire business needs to be translated into English. Everyone knows how unsuccessful the English Official Site turned out to be (latest news updated 2008). Until they manage to manage that website well, I have doubts about them ever expanding TA out overseas. Sad, but true.

[LacusClyne]

^yup. my friend had been a TA member for at least 4 years, but nowadays more and more people are reposting the TA contents out VERY FAST, be it release info or diaries, internet can be scary sometimes...
that is why she's feel unhappy about the money that she paid, as non-paying people are getting more info faster and even more then the paying TA members.
(-_-)

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then if we look at the TA staff/Avex side, if more people feel that it's not so worth to join TA, what could happen? they will lose members, lesser people will be willing to renew their membership, in the end ayu earns less, be it the membership fees/tickets/ or the extra TA versions.
The one who suffer from the lose of TA members in the end is ayu. So please don't blame ayu for focusing on the TA members.
This last sentence is for those who are jeolous of TA and complain that ayu keeps saying TA this, and TA that, and those complaining why is the song name [RED LINE~for TA]

[Mirrorcle Monster]

I think that discussion has no point : if you paid you should get news faster, and since i dont pay i shouldnt get info faster than a TA member.