ARENA TOUR 2009 A ~NEXT LEVEL~ setlist and pictures [II]

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Yeah, I hope people don't shoot me, but that doesn't sound live AT ALL to me. Hopefully it is only this song.

Originally Posted by Furashubakku

I don't think it's playback. After ANGEL'S SONG you would think that she wouldn't be stupid enough to sing a song on playback and have the screen zoomed on her face.

You'd think she would have learned that from CDL 04/05 then.

Originally Posted by truehappiness

I swear, a lot of you are going conspiracy-theorist on Ayu for no real reason whatsoever. It's rather sad that people always think of "playback/lipsynching" when she sounds okay.

That's totally not the reason why. I mean for one, I don't even think she sounds that great. But no, the main reason is that she is wearing a head set mic, yet you hear nothing other than her voice. Not to mention that she is moving quite a bit yet there isn't really any effect on her voice. For comparison, look how much her voice was effected by doing the cutesy movements in Depend on You at AT08. It at least to me, does not look or sound live.

I at least like the stage - how bright and colorful it is.

[dreamland2.0]

I love the stage for EnergizE and the flashy stars!! I can't wait for the DVD!! ahhhh

[love in music]

we've got a long wait for the DVD i really hope some longer fancams show up soon!

[AyUta]

Hm, it sounds live to me.

I agree though, this tour seems like it's going to be amazing. I can't wait to see it

[zyoeru]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

You'd think she would have learned that from CDL 04/05 then.

Haha. I never saw 04/05.
Actually, to be totally honest, I don't care if she lip-syncs. Because I agree, she doesn't do it all the time like a lot of artists. Plus when she DOES screw it up it's fun to hear people getting all bent out of shape about it.

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

That's totally not the reason why. I mean for one, I don't even think she sounds that great. But no, the main reason is that she is wearing a head set mic, yet you hear nothing other than her voice. Not to mention that she is moving quite a bit yet there isn't really any effect on her voice. For comparison, look how much her voice was effected by doing the cutesy movements in Depend on You at AT08. It at least to me, does not look or sound live.

I at least like the stage - how bright and colorful it is.

everything is lipsync to you.. -_-)

The depend on you on the dvd was affected by the cold, that's why it affected her voice.
Those movements in Energize should not affect her voice at all..
And really, this is a fancam video, with poor audio.
How can you tell if there is anything else other than her voice? -_-);;;

I dont think this is lipsync at all..
She is able to do this song easily, I think.. ahahaha.

I really love this stage.
whoever said this stage is recycled is crazy~~~ ahahaha.
I love all the colours *-*
I cant wait for the dvd.

[aloopy]

Originally Posted by Evolution7/4

OMG the screens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Turns out it is true that costumes aren't the main thing of this tour!

yeah i know right
at first i was disappointed because she uses the same songs from pcdl. and her outfits are not that great either.
but the stage and screens totally make up for it <3

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by maikaru

everything is lipsync to you.. -_-)

Umm no. Rule didn't seem like it at all. This does. If you can hear her voice in the recording, you should be able to hear the mic sounds as well - mic sounds on headset mics are super clear in an actual live setting. No one is asking you to agree with me. And her voice sounded just as bad in Depend on You at the concert date that I went to as the one on DVD does.

There is also a Japanese report from the Saitama show that says they suspect that Energize was lip synched, they also mention thinking that identity was as well: http://ameblo.jp/komaneko7859/entry-10241434500.html

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

^ i was at the tour on the april 1st show, and i'm pretty sure it was live...

BUT anyway, when did people start actually liking this tour?! all of a sudden it's "i cant wait for the dvd!!!!!" "wow this is gunna be my fave tour so far!!" lol, surprising to see that after all the negative stuff before the clips came out

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

^ i was at the tour on the april 1st show, and i'm pretty sure it was live...

BUT anyway, when did people start actually liking this tour?! all of a sudden it's "i cant wait for the dvd!!!!!" "wow this is gunna be my fave tour so far!!" lol, surprising to see that after all the negative stuff before the clips came out

I think that the first impression killed it for many people but we all know first impressions are wrong a lot of times. XD

I'm glad to know that EnergizE is live. ^__^

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

I think that the first impression killed it for many people but we all know first impressions are wrong a lot of times. XD

I'm glad to know that EnergizE is live. ^__^

I'm just curious - and this is meant as no offense whatsoever to tokyoxjapanxfan - but what makes his opinion that it was live, more valid than the opinion from the Japanese report that it was lip synched? Shouldn't that at the very least make it in the "too hard to tell category"?

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

I'm just curious - and this is meant as no offense whatsoever to tokyoxjapanxfan - but what makes his opinion that it was live, more valid than the opinion from the Japanese report that it was lip synched? Shouldn't that at the very least make it in the "too hard to tell category"?

Well you used the word suspect.
Maybe I should have edited and write I'm glad that there is a high chance it's live, though it could offence the person here who was in the live and shared his experience with us (in that matter).

Also as I said earlier for me it's not that important if she lip-syncs since she doesn't do that most of the live and specially if it's just 1-2 songs. It's also why I don't think it should be so hard investigated, and at least we should wait for the full live or something to see if at all, since it seems that some opinions don't correlate from people who went to the tour.
As you say at this point we can't be sure it's 100% that or that so shouldn't we skip it for now until it will be revelead eventually?

Also you said that EnergizE is most likely lip-synced because there are no side sounds and there should since she moves a lot, you haven't hesitate to say it's lip-synced too. Even if it is lip-synced then what's the huge problem that we have to investigate the issue to depth?

I would be glad if it wouldn't since I live ayu's live singing and I think it's great most of the time but if it's just 1 or 2 it's really not an issue.

[AyuGAME]

wow...the stage...i don't think her costume is that bad too...i think its okay

[naxxo.licious™]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

^ i was at the tour on the april 1st show, and i'm pretty sure it was live...

BUT anyway, when did people start actually liking this tour?! all of a sudden it's "i cant wait for the dvd!!!!!" "wow this is gunna be my fave tour so far!!" lol, surprising to see that after all the negative stuff before the clips came out

I actually never posted anything negative about this tour.

Ayu has never let me down when it comes to her tours, especially her latest ones.

I guess the first pics that were posted were kinda dissapointing cause u couldn't see the whole stage, so it looked kinda empty.

But yeah, i think the videos did help us realize how amazing this tour is (tho i actually realized it since i read the reports )

[se7entheaven]

OH please just stop the lipsync issues. I wish she just lip sync the whole tracks like britney spears and we'll see how it goes...maybe she'll lose all her fans?
EnergizE sounds different from the CD, especially when she hit 'nani kata koto GA', the 'koto GA' part is just off tunes. Maybe you guys can suspect she use a pre-recording track ^^.
anyway even there's no props...the stage is actually the props. the stage is like a living thing....all made of screens and lights..gosh....

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Also you said that EnergizE is most likely lip-synced because there are no side sounds and there should since she moves a lot, you haven't hesitate to say it's lip-synced too.

Right, judging by the video, it doesn't appear live to me. But if tokyoxjapanxfan says he thinks it was live, I'll at least give some benefit of the doubt. I'll make a final judement when I see the show in October. I hadn't checked on the Japanese opinions of the show in a few weeks, but when I started looking just now, I have seen a number of people post the same thing about Energize - "EnergizEは口パクだった.他にもあったと思う " (Energize was lip synch and I think more after as well) "Energize口バクやってました。"(she did lip synch for Energize), "やっぱEnergize口バク" (as thought, Energize is lip synch.)

But, yes I hope it is just a few songs - or hopefully even just this one.

Originally Posted by se7entheaven

EnergizE sounds different from the CD, especially when she hit 'nani kata koto GA', the 'koto GA' part is just off tunes. Maybe you guys can suspect she use a pre-recording track ^^.

....using a pre-recorded track is lip synching though... If you mean using a backing track, then that is a bit different.

[Ayumiko]

This lip-syncing thing is getting ridiculously annoying...

[ayumisrael]

I see, so it's possible for both ways.

Btw did the re-sale tickets number went up?

[SunshineSlayer]

^We don't have to discuss it in depth, but I would certainly think that it is at least relevant to know about in a NEXT LEVEL tour thread.

So, right now, we can just leave it at there are some songs in the tour, mainly energize that are in question about whether they are live or not.

[Evolution7/4]

^Sad thing is we will never know for sure because the DVD sound may be edited, although i'm hoping for a lightly edited DVd sound ala AT 2008. I really don't care though, just kind of curious. The TV version is probably edited sound too right? Since its not aired live.