"Feel the love" short ver. PV

[kimmeh]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

But Ayu's western fanbase gets SO offended about shit that she knows she either explains her release or lose those offended fans.

Why is everyone talking like people went batshit crazy with torches and had complete meltdowns?
I don't think people were outraged and swore death upon ayu and decided to leave her fanbase.

This is what happened with this vid:
People didn't like the video, they voiced their opinion and interpretation, some more strongly then others.
Some brought up racism, stereotypes, body shaming, shallowness etc etc
(Bonus point here, in the beginning, the PV was titled "full", throwing fuel on the fire for the people upset about the ending)

Other people tried to tell them that their interpretation "is wrong" and tried to explain the "true meaning" behind it.
(Quotation marks because I don't think there is a wrong or true meaning, you shouldn't force your opinion on others, this goes both ways)

The "other group" then meant that it was poorly executed/easily misunderstood/didn't see the
"true meaning" at all/still thought it was cheap as f, pro-group then again tries to explain
further that there is more behind the meaning/its just a fun video/LEAVE AYU ALONE/ thus the debate continues.

Now the debate is about how angry people were over the ending. Even I am sitting here writing about people being angry.
What good comes of this? Everyone are pointing fingers and basically telling each other that they are bad fans
for hating the video or bad fans for not seeing though the "bullshit ayu spat out".

Its really shameful to see that a forum can't have a constructive debate on something without people actually going on personal attacks.

[Yumsushi]

People love to dictate what true fans can or can't do. It's like Ayu is infallible and people were supposed to be psychic and see her good intentions through her often horrible execution.

[truehappiness]

It wasn't exactly titled full, but it was assumed to be so in the original post because of the length and since it contained the entire song. It was probably a bad judgement since avex never puts up the complete versions normally.

Basically, the way things tend to go for new videos or covers any time they are released usually go a few ways.

a) Most people like it. One or two do not. <-- this is preferred, as it avoids most drama and people are generally happy like with the covers for this single

b) Opinions are evenly split and there is a LOT of back and forth <-- basically, what happened here. We don't see threads like this often for PVs...

c) Only about two or three people like it, and the rest of the fandom HATES whatever it is <-- this happened with the Sunrise/Sunset covers and many a photoshoot during the Shimomura era, I would say even Bold & Delicious made many people speechless since it was a 'new' Ayu

The way I see it, or rather 'have' seen it in the last few years is that you are never going to be able to avoid the eventual decline to personal attacks in b) and c), because oftentimes people aren't willing to see the situation from the other perspective (when it comes to Sunrise/Sunset for instance, some loathe the covers so much that anyone who liked them was 'blind') and aren't going to budge on either side.

Originally Posted by Yumsushi

People love to dictate what true fans can or can't do. It's like Ayu is infallible and people were supposed to be psychic and see her good intentions through her often horrible execution.

True fans can do whatever they want (as can any fan really) but I think most of us should agree on the fact that Ayu rarely ever has 'bad' intentions in her works even if the execution is a bit lacking. That's just not how Ayu is or has ever been. You don't have to be psychic, but use some common sense.

[Yumsushi]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

a) Most people like it. One or two do not. <-- this is preferred, as it avoids most drama and people are generally happy like with the covers for this single

uh...what do you mean by "preferred" exactly? And use 'common sense'? You seem to be all mixed up interms of what is considered common sense. trust me, blindingly liking everything Ayu puts out is not common sense. it's something else entirely

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by kimmeh

Why is everyone talking like people went batshit crazy with torches and had complete meltdowns?
I don't think people were outraged and swore death upon ayu and decided to leave her fanbase.

This is what happened with this vid:
People didn't like the video, they voiced their opinion and interpretation, some more strongly then others.
Some brought up racism, stereotypes, body shaming, shallowness etc etc
(Bonus point here, in the beginning, the PV was titled "full", throwing fuel on the fire for the people upset about the ending)

Other people tried to tell them that their interpretation "is wrong" and tried to explain the "true meaning" behind it.
(Quotation marks because I don't think there is a wrong or true meaning, you shouldn't force your opinion on others, this goes both ways)

The "other group" then meant that it was poorly executed/easily misunderstood/didn't see the
"true meaning" at all/still thought it was cheap as f, pro-group then again tries to explain
further that there is more behind the meaning/its just a fun video/LEAVE AYU ALONE/ thus the debate continues.

Now the debate is about how angry people were over the ending. Even I am sitting here writing about people being angry.
What good comes of this? Everyone are pointing fingers and basically telling each other that they are bad fans
for hating the video or bad fans for not seeing though the "bullshit ayu spat out".

Its really shameful to see that a forum can't have a constructive debate on something without people actually going on personal attacks.

Don't know why you quoted me considering that post has NOTHING to do with the forum, unless Ayu started reading AHS.

The post is about people going to social media to ask Ayumi herself to explain her releases, sometimes, on a very rude way.

[kimmeh]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

It wasn't exactly titled full, but it was assumed to be so in the original post because of the length and since it contained the entire song. It was probably a bad judgement since avex never puts up the complete versions normally.

Basically, the way things tend to go for new videos or covers any time they are released usually go a few ways.

a) Most people like it. One or two do not. <-- this is preferred, as it avoids most drama and people are generally happy like with the covers for this single

b) Opinions are evenly split and there is a LOT of back and forth <-- basically, what happened here. We don't see threads like this often for PVs...

c) Only about two or three people like it, and the rest of the fandom HATES whatever it is <-- this happened with the Sunrise/Sunset covers and many a photoshoot during the Shimomura era, I would say even Bold & Delicious made many people speechless since it was a 'new' Ayu

The way I see it, or rather 'have' seen it in the last few years is that you are never going to be able to avoid the eventual decline to personal attacks in b) and c), because oftentimes people aren't willing to see the situation from the other perspective (when it comes to Sunrise/Sunset for instance, some loathe the covers so much that anyone who liked them was 'blind') and aren't going to budge on either side.



True fans can do whatever they want (as can any fan really) but I think most of us should agree on the fact that Ayu rarely ever has 'bad' intentions in her works even if the execution is a bit lacking. That's just not how Ayu is or has ever been. You don't have to be psychic, but use some common sense.

The title of this thread said FULL and the actual video on YT didn't say short. I would say that it is a pretty good reason on why so many got confused.
I can see what you mean that the perfect type of response is when most people like it, but thats rather rare and to be honest, also sometimes dull. All the comments are just "OMG LOVE IT" and thats it. I like it when people discuss and share their viewpoints, but I hate it the minute it turns into pointing fingers and discrediting each other of "true fan" status because they don't share the same opinion.

While I do agree that Ayu rarely has bad intentions, and she could a made a unintended mistake that people would get offended by(even though we have a confirmation now that things are not the way they seem). But you can't tell someone they're not allowed to be offended or feel in a certain way(not that you're doing it, some comments did), thats just makes it worse, and that happened here. MANY TIMES.


@Andrenekoi; I'm sorry, I misunderstood, but it held true for AHS too(I thought you meant AHS since you said western, and this forum is mostly western people). Members here were picking on each other for having different opinions, and your comment about people getting "SO offended" made me a bit sad about how often AHS goes from discussing something to hating on each other.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by kimmeh

@Andrenekoi; I'm sorry, I misunderstood, but it held true for AHS too(I thought you meant AHS since you said western, and this forum is mostly western people). Members here were picking on each other for having different opinions, and your comment about people getting "SO offended" made me a bit sad about how often AHS goes from discussing something to hating on each other.

Well, it's like I was nice for the whole discussion either... But as far as I remember, most of the time people attacking ayu on twitter aren't from AHS.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by kimmeh

The title of this thread said FULL and the actual video on YT didn't say short. I would say that it is a pretty good reason on why so many got confused.

Yes. But the video itself did not say full at any point. It was sort of just assumed by the person who made the thread and most of us who saw it, but in retrospect, that was probably not a good idea at all since avex would never put the complete version up.

And obviously it's preferred because we don't end up with a 25 page thread on a promotional video/CD cover/new song preview/etc. Sometimes it's nice to see mainly positive vibes. It's not very interesting and can get dull since all that is ever said is "Wow, this is great!" or "Beautiful!" but I feel like that sort of thing is much appreciated over "Guys, she's doing fish lips again. Flop." or "Oh lord, she's released another disaster. Can we move on to the next track now?". The worst is probably when all anyone posts is "This release is complete bullshit."

[DonkeyKongRemix]

Sorry for misjudging this video and calling it superficial! I didn't realize that it was the short version! XD

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by nalini-dahlia

Sorry for misjudging this video and calling it superficial! I didn't realize that it was the short version! XD

It's okay, no one else did either until avex changed it about a day after.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by nalini-dahlia

Sorry for misjudging this video and calling it superficial! I didn't realize that it was the short version! XD

I forgive you, but don't let that happen again!

[DonkeyKongRemix]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I forgive you, but don't let that happen again!

The funny thing is, while I misjudged it for being superficial, I still really liked the video! XD The lead actress was so exciting and cute!

[Yoake]

Originally Posted by nalini-dahlia

The funny thing is, while I misjudged it for being superficial, I still really liked the video! XD The lead actress was so exciting and cute!

True. I hope we'll know who she is.

[& + H]

Ok so she explained what the video was about. So what?
I see nothing wrong with her explaining what it meant.


I didn't like the video because I thought it was bizarre and stupid, that's about it. Doesn't mean I'm a bad fan.

Originally Posted by jyujiw

AHS. The drama.
It's funny that we have more hate than love for an artist in her own forum. That's freaking bizarre.

Just because you love an artist doesn't mean that you'll love everything they do.

[perfectodub]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

A lot of people from the forum DID get the message. So, according to yourself, the message was clear and well done.

No is not clear because nobody in a cute dance video could say "don't be fat be like me" like a lot of people feel the video says
if you try to make a intense analysis maybe you could find another meanings, but if you don't get the real mesage at ones so...for me the video is not well done or clear

[Kuronekomi]

I don't care about the video, I simply don't like it and even if at first I didn't like the song I think now that it is way better than this video.
that's it. this doesn't mean that I'm no more a fan. I still like Ayu, her music and respect her as an artist.

That said I'm pretty sure that the video was the full version at the beginning but Ayu asked Avex to add the final AFTER the reactions of the fans

just my opinion

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by Kuronekomi

That said I'm pretty sure that the video was the full version at the beginning but Ayu asked Avex to add the final AFTER the reactions of the fans

just my opinion

No, we saw it the minute it went up. It did not have the ending as it had a weird fade out from the start.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

If the meaning isn't written all over the material she must explain herself or people start screaming "poor execution" everywhere. The Party Queen project shows that pretty well... It's one of her saddest albums and she still needed to sing she was a "lonely queen" so people could fucking understand the album title wasn't literal.

Well you know, sometimes I think it's a little cloudy, because it's not always clear exactly who she's trying to appeal to.

Her fanbase? Who even is that anymore? How old are they now? Do they still resonate with Ayu even though she's not always easy to relate to?

What do these releases say about her fanbase? What does it say about her?

maybe THAT'S reading too much into stuff. But it's odd to me, because I never really felt like she needed to explain things, but I think I just ignore a lot of people and their opinions lol


And yeah, now that I think about it, the video does end abruptly. But personally, this was the first time I had heard the full version of the song, so like, I wasn't confident on thinking in any other possibility. They have never released such looooonnngg previews of a PV.

I don't think they changed it after fan reactions. They changed it really quickly. And as far as I'm concerned...was anywhere else even talking about the ending they way we were?

People said that on mixi and stuff, they were just talking about whether it was a good or bad pv. But idk.


I guess the best thing about the pv is that it highlights the song well.

[Didz-19]

now, i'm waiting for the CM!!! Yeahhhh!!!

[spanishfan]

"HOPE" in FIVE cover wasn't clear at all, but eventually someone pointed out. I think I'd never find out myself, because I don't see covers too much. Does it mean the covers had bad execution? For me it only add more readings.

I have to say that the last thing I see in the video would be "If you're not Ayumi Hamasaki, you can't get the guy of your dreams, even if you work hard."
I hope to not change this after the full version xD