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Old 29th November 2013, 05:51 AM
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Totally agreed!
Somehow I miss the old ayu where she didn't even open herself to the fans.
Here's the pv, here's the song. Take it or leave it. Which artist ever respond to theur fans telling them the message of the pv =.=
Maybe she shd just start makig PVs like the older days (A Song for XX era)
THIS. im happy we can reach ayu in person through social network but i feel sad to see ayu explaining herself to the fans.
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Old 29th November 2013, 06:08 AM
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^ maybe she should print more of that cap "NO BITCHES PLEASE". That should be her new logo now.
That's exactly what was rolling through my mind this entire meltdown
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Old 29th November 2013, 06:15 AM
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^those cats... XD

yeah it's sad that people can't even give the second thought...
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Old 29th November 2013, 06:44 AM
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The Party Queen project shows that pretty well... It's one of her saddest albums and she still needed to sing she was a "lonely queen" so people could fucking understand the album title wasn't literal.
The PQ concept being misunderstood was frankly a shock for me. It's right in front of your eyes, you can hear in the songs, particularly in the lyrics, the album tells a cohesive history until the end, a thing that she never was able to do before with her past albums.

But no, she's half naked in the damn cover, probably it doesn't have any meaning, she's crazy and suddenly changed her mind and values built through all these years, the description of the album being a "concept album" doesn't change anything, let's just burn this thing with fire.

Personally, the argument of "the general public couldn't understand so it was poorly executed" doesn't work for me, since a long time ago her albums stopped to be for the general public and were based purely to her fans. I think now she's trying to change it.

And for a good reason I must add, because her fanbase is really something...

Damn.
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Old 29th November 2013, 07:09 AM
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^The worst part is... She is ALWAYS half naked! She is KNOWN in Japan for showing skin since LOVEpperas! And not only her, considering Koda and AKB48 are still around!
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Old 29th November 2013, 07:53 AM
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i think it's because people are taking everything too lieterally these days, none bothers to give a second thought.
I mean i myself take nothing too seriously in general when it comes to music stuff, and i just thought the PV was dumb visually nothing else, but people started seeing things. And i ended up reading few comments that were actually explaining the meaning bechind and i thought that was cool, regardless that the pv looked cheap. In all that matters her major fanbase is IN Japan, i don't think there will be a single person who would even say that she's giving a bad message out with it, cuz they just probably do't really care.

I'd say there's one lesson to learn here - if ayu did something contraversial in her musical image, there must be a good reason bechind it. She's no AKB.

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Old 29th November 2013, 10:43 AM
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She approached him eventually with her body being the same as it was before. Who knows, maybe she was running to look for him?
I thought her running was a metaphor for the search of love until I came to read the comments tbh, and not a very difficult one to see? Because, you know, the song is obviously about looking after love with perseverance day and night through.. Not that she's running to lose weight. But that she's running despite probably having a harder time doing it than a person with fit physique because she's so determined to get to her love. (ETA: Well, at least in theory it would be harder, but instead she's really going at it full force and not showing any signs of giving up. Which to me is an obvious comparison to any person who comes from a place where they supposedly have a harder time to look for love, yet they overcome everything with their determination.)

How come so many don't seem to see it this way? If the intent was to say she literally is running to lose weight to get her love then we would have seen her shrinking in size, wouldn't we? And come on the Ayu thing wasn't/isn't going to be her literally changing into her or the guy choosing Ayu over the protagonist. Well I guess in time Ayu's explanation and the proper ending will clear the questions.
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Old 29th November 2013, 10:45 AM
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Old 29th November 2013, 11:06 AM
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I see nothing wrong with her explaining what she wanted to do. Ayu's work is beautiful because it's so deep, it can bend to multiple interpretations. That's the mark of a good job, when you can always find new sides of it or interpret it with you own personal vision. But what's wrong with not understanding Ayu's point of view and wanting to desperately know it? They kind of had to explain Party Queen concept to me (even if I didn't think it was a "party party" album anyway) and that explanation made me appreciate the album so much more. It's good to talk about something to understand, to share doubts, it's really good for artists to help with it if they feel like it, and it's definetely fine to be disappointed because you hold her as a role model. It' a burden for Ayu, but for me it's also a beautiful thing. A little drama never hurt nobody, it spices things up. Drama is a face of loooove (when it's not hate, mind you).
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Old 29th November 2013, 12:04 PM
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How did Party Queen jump into this conversation? Not that it bothers me because I stan for that masterpiece♥ Party Queen's theme is like one of the most easiest themes ever on a Ayu album. It should have been easily understood because party queens are usually very lonely after all. :/

And the concept of Feel the love is imo quite easy to understand if you really think about it. It may have been represented in a very unflattering way at some parts but I saw past that at once. For me it was easy to see what it was really about and it amazes me that some people just don't. And I'm also a fat girl. I wasn't offended. It made me feel happy. :p
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Old 29th November 2013, 01:29 PM
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Well, sometimes you grab the general meaning, but the details are still unclear. Example very off-topic: I understood right away the loneliness, darkness, seriousness and subtragedy of Party Queen, and I loved it for that. But then talking with others all kind of details came out, more and deeper explanation about the covers and concept, and how she wanted to depict how the general public sees her, and how the covers were kind of supposed to be like tabloids images, and more. You see, I grabbed the feeling, but discovering details and other interpretations, and insteresting theories, made me love the covers too, and made me feel more the song and understand more the interview, everything was better (even if I liked Party Queen very much from the beginning). Let's say I was more into it.
Same thing with FIVE. Just to say.
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Old 29th November 2013, 04:41 PM
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Artists usually don't explain themselves because art must be open to interpretation. This is the beautiful thing: everyone searching for their own meaning behind the work.

But Ayu's western fanbase gets SO offended about shit that she knows she either explains her release or lose those offended fans.
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The thing is that some of those fans NEED to hear it directly from her and won't listen to speculation because it's 'grasping at straws'.
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Old 29th November 2013, 06:35 PM
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free interpretation?.... my b**t! XD

if you can't make your message clear in your film so your work is deficient and not well done
let the people make free interpretationS of open ends, surealistic videos or conceptual symbols. not a dance video.
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Old 29th November 2013, 07:27 PM
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free interpretation?.... my b**t! XD

if you can't make your message clear in your film so your work is deficient and not well done
let the people make free interpretationS of open ends, surealistic videos or conceptual symbols. not a dance video.
A lot of people from the forum DID get the message. So, according to yourself, the message was clear and well done.

And the same happens over and over again, it never happened a situation were nobody could get what the concept, idea or message was. So, according to yourself, the message is always clear. What is normal, considering she never released anything THAT deep or THAT hard to get... It's everyday pop music.

Now, if you can't get the message, well maybe it's not her releases lacking, but your interpretation. =)
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Old 29th November 2013, 08:20 PM
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lol I wish ayu didn't have to explain herself, people should have more patience =P

Most knew ayu wanted to convey the message it did, but I understand how people or people who are not her fans could confuse it with the -first thing only visible-. It's good that there will be an extra.
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Old 29th November 2013, 08:42 PM
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Now, if you can't get the message, well maybe it's not her releases lacking, but your interpretation. =)
Let's try and keep this discussion a step above "your opinion is just wrong, and that's that". If there's no other points to make, the conversation has run out of steam.
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Old 29th November 2013, 10:01 PM
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Awww, I thought her response on Twitter was really sweet! She knows how to respond to criticism well.

I doubt the ending of the video will change my mind though lol.

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Old 29th November 2013, 11:16 PM
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I thought the pv was cute but it could have been better. It reminded me a lot of Startin' and Beautiful Fighters pvs with the sort of "celebrate yourself" theme. I would have like there to have been more scenes with Ayu and her dancers spliced in there so it didn't seem so redundant.

I also wanted to comment on a couples of things,

1. When ayu came out with Party queen and the covers, I instantly knew it wasn't going to be some sort of sex trash fest or anything like that. Clearly it was a tounge and cheeky thing and anyone who knows Ayu knows that a superficial theme is never just that, its always has a sad painful dark twist. Just like on MY STORY the cover was pink and she was in lingerie on that cover and the album had nothing to do with that at all, actually it was quite the opposite! On I am, Rainbow, she wasn't wearing anything but but you never hear anyone go on about that instead those looks are praised and held as legendary.

2. I don't know why everyone is hating on her showing skin. Honestly, compared to pretty much everyone else Ayu is very modest and conservative with how much skin she shows. Even if she is half naked, I mean we have yet to see naked pics or her having sex with anyone on camera or in a pv so if anything she should be commended! So i don't even know why that was a topic of discussion.

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The movie Shallow Hal comes to mind when I watch this PV.
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