Which concert(s) was(were) sang completely?

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

I was watching A Museum the other day, and gosh, her vocals were great!! I think is her best concert in terms of voice quality. She did this really cool play with her voice nearly at the end of the Encore too! thing that I never expected from her xD I always thought she would stick to the original song versions or the ones they practice for the concerts.

and, after watching this concert, I noticed that it looks like she sang it all!! I was like woow! so, did she really? what do you guys know?

have she sang a concert without the doubling and stuff?? what do you guys know?

[zyoeru]

I think that a lot of her concerts are sung 100% live...it's just people don't believe it when her vocals are good~.

[noidea]

A Museum: forgiveness and evolution were 100% playback, proven by her using the same playback several times and the rest of that concert looks very suspicious(i always got the feeling like live-playback-live-playback-live-playback and so on...), I actually think its her concert with the most playback out of all(next to PCDL)
completely live were: CT00 session 1, CT00 session 2, CDL00-01 and DT01, after that, every concert either has performances proven to be playback or very suspicious and of course all her TV performances (except this M + Boys and Girls she did in some Asia Show and a SEASONS performance where she was probably ill) were live

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

^wow, even so her vocals were the best on A Museum! I didn't even liked forgiveness that much lol

Originally Posted by Furashubakku

I think that a lot of her concerts are sung 100% live...it's just people don't believe it when her vocals are good~.

I used to believe that until people said that she didn't, so I kinda picked on songs that looked a bit too fake xD


But I still think its cool bcose they take the time to re-record those songs for the concerts, which is something XD not just using the same tracks from the albums like the pussycat dolls did when they came to my city in Australia D:



EDIT: About the Concert Tours 2000 (vol. 2 I think), at the end of Trauma, when she's sitting on this flying thing, they used the original track, and I think its very noticeable xD

[noidea]

yeah, Ayu is definitly better than the likes of Britney Spears about Playback, for two reasons:
1) she only synchs parts of her concerts
2) she records live versions to at least give us the feeling that its live(...and to make it harder to spot it LOL)

About concert tour: They probably dubbed that part over, I will watch the TV version later to see if it really was playback + she sounded VERY near to her recordings sometimes in 1998-2000 era(I remember a performance of immature where I thought it was playback on the studio track until she did a TINY mistake xD)

[chloeM]

wow... where can i watch it
? i wanna watch it~

[noidea]

^ what do you want to watch?

[Andrenekoi]

Noidea thinks everything is playback xD
IMO most of her concerts are entirelly live, but

I think that a lot of her concerts are sung 100% live...it's just people don't believe it when her vocals are good~.

Even so, there are some songs I think that she never sang live on concert But I'm not going to say wich ones cuz I don't really like this discussion

[zoomzoom]

It's very hard to tell since most of her concerts are altered in post production, like all live DVDs are, to improve sound quality.

You can really only judge concerts that were broadcast live, which to my knowledge is only her Countdown Lives. As far as being "100% proven" you can only apply that to obvious lip syncing mistakes, like the ANGELS SONG screw up at PCDL. The rest is pure speculation, some more plausible than other.

[noidea]

^ I dont see how its speculation if, let me make an example, we can see or rather hear in CDL0607 TV VERSION(live broadcast from 31st of december 2006 to be exact) that she uses the audio from CDL0203, A Museum and some other performances, its impossible to sing a song twice in exactly the same way, and ayu sings it exactly the same for several performances, when her overall singing is great(A museum) AND when its bad(CDL0203), she even sings it exactly the same several years later!(CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708) however, in other performances and tv performances, every single performance sounded quite difference from the others, but this vocal track is always 100% the same, every note is the same strenght, hold the same lenght, on the same pitch(+ she doesnt talk to the audience in the parts where she usually shouts come on!...weird that in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE using the good vocaltrack she does NOT speak to the audience, but did so in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE that can be said to be live for sure(every performance where she was VERY out of breath, VERY off-pitch or forgot her lines))several people even prove that by computer audio comparement, just a few weeks ago I got a pm by somebody who did so with some of her performances to encourage me because he was scared to be *****ed out of the discussions if he posted a single post saying that yes, ayu synched other songs than the two where she made lyric mistakes, people dont seriously think she synched two songs and just in these two she does mistakes, while the camera is on her mouth, i once made statistics about her forgetting her lines and compared it to how often she forgot her lines while singing playback(only counted countdowns for both, only counted VISABLE mistakes), i got the result that, if the mistake-rate is the same when she synchs like it is when she sings live, she synched around 25-50 songs in all cdls since 02-03, of course, this is nothing to prove anything with it, but it makes sense...

@Andrenekoi
actually, I think some of her best vocal performances were live, or rather MOST of her best vocal performances, but if a song does give me a playback-impression, ill state that i think its playback, especially if...well, you CAN prove it(like in the example, theres no way the opposite can be said except by some "AYU ONLY SYNCHED TWO SONGS, AND ONLY IN THE CONCERTS THAT WERE ON TV, AND ONLY 1 WORD EACH, AND ONLY TO MAKE FUN OF HERSELF-kiddies), however, i wont insist on something being playback that does not use a "used" vocaltrack already

[mcluva420]

^ I like your post

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by noidea

^ I dont see how its speculation if, let me make an example, we can see or rather hear in CDL0607 TV VERSION(live broadcast from 31st of december 2006 to be exact) that she uses the audio from CDL0203, A Museum and some other performances, its impossible to sing a song twice in exactly the same way, and ayu sings it exactly the same for several performances, when her overall singing is great(A museum) AND when its bad(CDL0203), she even sings it exactly the same several years later!(CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708) however, in other performances and tv performances, every single performance sounded quite difference from the others, but this vocal track is always 100% the same, every note is the same strenght, hold the same lenght, on the same pitch(+ she doesnt talk to the audience in the parts where she usually shouts come on!...weird that in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE using the good vocaltrack she does NOT speak to the audience, but did so in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE that can be said to be live for sure(every performance where she was VERY out of breath, VERY off-pitch or forgot her lines))several people even prove that by computer audio comparement, just a few weeks ago I got a pm by somebody who did so with some of her performances to encourage me because he was scared to be *****ed out of the discussions if he posted a single post saying that yes, ayu synched other songs than the two where she made lyric mistakes, people dont seriously think she synched two songs and just in these two she does mistakes, while the camera is on her mouth, i once made statistics about her forgetting her lines and compared it to how often she forgot her lines while singing playback(only counted countdowns for both, only counted VISABLE mistakes), i got the result that, if the mistake-rate is the same when she synchs like it is when she sings live, she synched around 25-50 songs in all cdls since 02-03, of course, this is nothing to prove anything with it, but it makes sense...

Yea but.. it's still speculation though. I would never say she only lipped a couple of songs in her entire career when it's clearly something she's not against using, but it will always be speculation. The speculation may make perfect sense and convince most people - I have been convinced several times without visual evidence - but that's why the debate won't die. Speculation lets people decide for themselves. It's subjective.

That's also why it's hard to put down a black and white list of when she did and didn't lip sync, like this thread calls for.

[dreamland2.0]

Some people take this lip-syncing thing WAY too seriously!

[ren0210989]

Originally Posted by noidea

^ I dont see how its speculation if, let me make an example, we can see or rather hear in CDL0607 TV VERSION(live broadcast from 31st of december 2006 to be exact) that she uses the audio from CDL0203, A Museum and some other performances, its impossible to sing a song twice in exactly the same way, and ayu sings it exactly the same for several performances, when her overall singing is great(A museum) AND when its bad(CDL0203), she even sings it exactly the same several years later!(CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708) however, in other performances and tv performances, every single performance sounded quite difference from the others, but this vocal track is always 100% the same, every note is the same strenght, hold the same lenght, on the same pitch(+ she doesnt talk to the audience in the parts where she usually shouts come on!...weird that in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE using the good vocaltrack she does NOT speak to the audience, but did so in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE that can be said to be live for sure(every performance where she was VERY out of breath, VERY off-pitch or forgot her lines))several people even prove that by computer audio comparement, just a few weeks ago I got a pm by somebody who did so with some of her performances to encourage me because he was scared to be *****ed out of the discussions if he posted a single post saying that yes, ayu synched other songs than the two where she made lyric mistakes, people dont seriously think she synched two songs and just in these two she does mistakes, while the camera is on her mouth, i once made statistics about her forgetting her lines and compared it to how often she forgot her lines while singing playback(only counted countdowns for both, only counted VISABLE mistakes), i got the result that, if the mistake-rate is the same when she synchs like it is when she sings live, she synched around 25-50 songs in all cdls since 02-03, of course, this is nothing to prove anything with it, but it makes sense...

@Andrenekoi
actually, I think some of her best vocal performances were live, or rather MOST of her best vocal performances, but if a song does give me a playback-impression, ill state that i think its playback, especially if...well, you CAN prove it(like in the example, theres no way the opposite can be said except by some "AYU ONLY SYNCHED TWO SONGS, AND ONLY IN THE CONCERTS THAT WERE ON TV, AND ONLY 1 WORD EACH, AND ONLY TO MAKE FUN OF HERSELF-kiddies), however, i wont insist on something being playback that does not use a "used" vocaltrack already

you actually did all of that?? wow, you must really have A LOT of time to spare

everyone knows that Ayu has lipsynched in her concerts, that's nothing new, but what i really dislike about people is that the first tought on their mind when for ex. a new TV version of a concerst arrvies is: "Now, let's she what she'll lypsinc in this concert" and stuff like that.
people should stop with the whole playback search and just enjoy the show...

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

As far as being "100% proven" you can only apply that to obvious lip syncing mistakes, like the ANGELS SONG screw up at PCDL. The rest is pure speculation, some more plausible than other.

I agree. So far, the only confirm lip-synched case is ANGEL'S SONG in PCDL. The rest are not proven. Oh cumon, comparing vocal tracks of several concerts doesnt mean ayu lip sync! we can only conclude that ayu can sing the same thing a few times that's all.

I can assure you that ASIA TOUR 2007 was all live!

To be honest, i dont really like to see threads on lip-synching or singing LIVE because it just sparks the whole discussion AGAIN and ultimately ending up with no conclusion, only speculations/assumptions etc.

*ok gonna run and avoid being entangled in this discussion on LIP-SYNCHING*

[Kingdom]

i had no idea ayu lip synced that much

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by juicy

i had no idea ayu lip synced that much

lol is that suppose to be ironic?

[Ayumi_lover]

Originally Posted by noidea

^ I dont see how its speculation if, let me make an example, we can see or rather hear in CDL0607 TV VERSION(live broadcast from 31st of december 2006 to be exact) that she uses the audio from CDL0203, A Museum and some other performances, its impossible to sing a song twice in exactly the same way, and ayu sings it exactly the same for several performances, when her overall singing is great(A museum) AND when its bad(CDL0203), she even sings it exactly the same several years later!(CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708) however, in other performances and tv performances, every single performance sounded quite difference from the others, but this vocal track is always 100% the same, every note is the same strenght, hold the same lenght, on the same pitch(+ she doesnt talk to the audience in the parts where she usually shouts come on!...weird that in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE using the good vocaltrack she does NOT speak to the audience, but did so in EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE that can be said to be live for sure(every performance where she was VERY out of breath, VERY off-pitch or forgot her lines))several people even prove that by computer audio comparement, just a few weeks ago I got a pm by somebody who did so with some of her performances to encourage me because he was scared to be *****ed out of the discussions if he posted a single post saying that yes, ayu synched other songs than the two where she made lyric mistakes, people dont seriously think she synched two songs and just in these two she does mistakes, while the camera is on her mouth, i once made statistics about her forgetting her lines and compared it to how often she forgot her lines while singing playback(only counted countdowns for both, only counted VISABLE mistakes), i got the result that, if the mistake-rate is the same when she synchs like it is when she sings live, she synched around 25-50 songs in all cdls since 02-03, of course, this is nothing to prove anything with it, but it makes sense...

@Andrenekoi
actually, I think some of her best vocal performances were live, or rather MOST of her best vocal performances, but if a song does give me a playback-impression, ill state that i think its playback, especially if...well, you CAN prove it(like in the example, theres no way the opposite can be said except by some "AYU ONLY SYNCHED TWO SONGS, AND ONLY IN THE CONCERTS THAT WERE ON TV, AND ONLY 1 WORD EACH, AND ONLY TO MAKE FUN OF HERSELF-kiddies), however, i wont insist on something being playback that does not use a "used" vocaltrack already

25-50 songs on CLS since 2002?!! HAHA!! THIS IS A PURE SPECULATION!
ok, I will check myself each performances of Ayu on each cdl since CDL02-03( I mean similar songs). This your number made me fun, really. for example I can't belive CDL04-05 had any lipsynch on it because it was a full mess, but! the added FAKE SOUNDS on dvd, so I would not be surprised if some pieces of sound were replaced there, but I never checked, ok, I will check it now and then post result.
Actually A MUSEUM was fully live, Like her previous concerts(Stadium Tour, and earlier, etc.). NEXT LEVEL tour also sounds like fully live

[noidea]

^ Like I worte, I got that from statistics, statistics don't lie, and this cant be checked by similar songs, but you have to look through and count every song that SEEMS synched, because this estimates the REAL playback and not the playback that can be(almost) proven by her using the same vocal track, remember she might have synched songs only for once, so she didnt reuse the vocals. CDL0405: CAROLS used the same vocal track later used in AT05 I think. And there were some speculations about M, but I never really watched that concert, this is only what i heard from others.
And A Museum clearly reused the vocal track from evolution she already used in CDL0203 in both the TV and DVD version(which were entirely filmed on different dates!), so unless they replaced audio of BOTH concerts with THE SAME audiotrack,its playback, I think her first playback was in CDL0102, however, only partly in that concert and she started synching full songs in AT02 and ST02.
NEXT LEVEL tour has most reports saying EnergizE was playback and many saying In The Corner, AUDIENCE and identity were playback.

@alternarist
You forgot about theme of a-nation '03 in CDL0506, she made a lipping mistake there as well.
And you can't sing twice in the exact same way, how naive are you? Its impossible. Even the best vocalists of the world can't do so. Especially not while dancing, while your ill or when your voice changed drastically over the years.
If proven by a computer thats several times more exact than what humans actually can HEAR, and by hearing you can already say that its the same without doubt, because thats still exact enough.
And how can you assure me that AT07 was all live? Thats WAY more speculation than saying 2 or 3 songs were playback.

@ren0210989
That took around 15 minutes and yes I have a lot of spare time, I still go to school after all and I have vacation, you really have enough spare time to read this and answer?
And the first thought is not "WHAT DID SHE SYNCH?", but you can't help but notice it, especially if you know the playback really well already from watching other concerts of hers + Theres always reports before you get the concert saying which songs probably were synched which, of course, makes you listen more closely on these songs.

[Ayumi_lover]

CDL0203 evolution was announced by avex as lipsynch because Ayu was ill, also DVD and TV version of CDL02-03 was filmed on the same date only parts of video were replaced by other date on dvd!
Also statistics in such case not really reliable thing, because counting songs that SEEMS to be lipsynched is fun itself because it based on your opinion only, and about CAROLS I just checked both performances - they are similar, but in AT05 vocals more stronger, while in CDL0405 it's soft and sometimes lost in music.

For you to know it's possible to sing with 99% similar vocals, especially when you're dancing, it's like you can do 10 press-up pretty similar, because vocals are made by muscules. I said it's possible to sing 99% similar, but it actually rare and applies to ballads, because they are easier to sing, it also goes to songs with energy dance because then you have each time same breathing rhythm. For me CAROLS from AT05 dvd and CDL0405 TV versions sounded 99% the same, and 1% was lost because of arrangement and CDL04-05 sound quality. If I would hear CDL0405 in real HQ when I can hear her breathing rhythm than I will agree that it is lipsynch(like evolution at CDL06-07, 07-08 etc)