[ORICON] 59th NHK Kouhaku's Red and White team

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

Morning Musume., Arashi, SMAP, WaT, EXILE, ET-KING, and Mr.Children? People with actual talent should have the honour of going.

TOKIO and KUBOKURO? Man, talk about being b*itched slapped twice!

Ayumi, Namie, Ikimono Gakari, Aqua Timez, Keala, chatmonchy, alan, Angela Aki, Perfume, and Ai! The Red Team alone should win from that.

[greggerz189]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Morning Musume., Arashi, SMAP, WaT, EXILE, ET-KING, and Mr.Children? People with actual talent should have the honour of going.

I have to say that I take rather large offense to your implication that industry legends like SMAP and Mr.Children don't have the "actual talent" to "have the honour" of going to Kouhaku. Furthermore, I'd even be as forward as to say that you are either horridly unfamiliar with the Japanese music industry and lack an incredibly elementary perception of its history over the past decade-and-a-half, or you have no idea which characteristics about each of those artists whom you insulted with your comment make them so undoubtedly worthy of being invited to Kouhaku. Let's face it, people have been anxiously waiting for over thirteen years to see Mr.Children perform at the Utagassen, and for very good reason as they so blatantly turn down each invitation which they most certainly receive each year.

Naivete is understandable, yes. But you would do well to do some research on the artists whom you claim to not have the "honour" of being invited to Kouhaku Utagassen before making such rudely incorrect statements.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Morning Musume., Arashi, SMAP, WaT, EXILE, ET-KING, and Mr.Children? People with actual talent should have the honour of going.

TOKIO and KUBOKURO? Man, talk about being b*itched slapped twice!

Ayumi, Namie, Ikimono Gakari, Aqua Timez, Keala, chatmonchy, alan, Angela Aki, Perfume, and Ai! The Red Team alone should win from that.

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It's obvious that you don't know much about Japanese music. All of those groups are quite talented in their own ways. And seriously, you wouldn't even be allowed into Japan if you said that Mr. Children were untalented.

I also find it extremely amusing that in one post you manage to call Morning Musume untalented and then praise Perfume for their talent. lol, I like Perfume, but I would never consider them to have more talent then Morning Musume since Perfume is really more of a computer than an actual singing group...

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

^I'm sorry but I don't know about the others you listed but Arashi, SMAP, EXILE, and Mr. Children ARE talent. I don't know where you've been but Kouhaku has lost its prestigious A LONG TIME AGO. Now the show is just about finding whoever to perform on the show.

Exactly. If it were all about prestige you wouldn't see alan, Kaela, chatmonchy, ikimonogatari, Perfume, etc etc on there. I'm not saying those groups are bad or anything, I like them - but they are far from prestigious.

[greggerz189]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

And seriously, you wouldn't even be allowed into Japan if you said that Mr. Children were untalented.

No joke. I'm so insulted, it's almost beyond words. Totally offensive, really. I adore Mr.Children just about as much as I love Ayu herself. I'd even go as far to say Sakurai-san's lyrics helped me out of some real dark times, like Ayu's. So for someone to call them untalented actually hurts.

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Ayumi, Namie, Ikimono Gakari, Aqua Timez, Keala, chatmonchy, alan, Angela Aki, Perfume, and Ai! The Red Team alone should win from that.

And Aqua Timez would be on the Red Team. Just because they have mayuko doesn't place them on the Red Team, if you followed Kouhaku whatsoever. They would be on the White Team because the lead vocal is male. That actually wouldn't even take all that much research, either. It's on the first page of this thread.

[Luv ~Venus~]

^I'm sorry but I don't know about the others you listed but Arashi, SMAP, EXILE, and Mr. Children ARE talent. I don't know where you've been but Kouhaku has lost its prestigious A LONG TIME AGO. Now the show is just about finding whoever to perform on the show.

[otsukachieko]

wowowowowow!!!!!! awesome!!!
so its really red team for girls and white for boys.... 0___0
coool!!!

[mcken200]

omg alan is gonna be there with ayu and momusu woo hoo !

[SolarAngel]

^Quite ironic that you guys are discussing talent. I was thinking of ayu's performance for the past 2 kouhaku and the renditions for jewel and together when were really pitchy. Obviously i'm not saying that ayu doesn't have talent but i don't want the public to give her a hard time being invited to kouhaku and not being able to deliver a worthy performance. We all know she's capable of it and i hope she wears a smashing dress like the one for jewel

[greggerz189]

^They have been pitchy. But I really wonder how much the deafness factors into that. And any sort of nasty winter cold that might come around. Her material is worthy of being performed at Kouhaku, I'd say. My favorite performance of hers at the Kouhaku was in 2004 -- Moments. It was fantastic. Dearest in 2001 came in at a close second, though. ;P

[SolarAngel]

Originally Posted by greggerz189

^They have been pitchy. But I really wonder how much the deafness factors into that. And any sort of nasty winter cold that might come around. Her material is worthy of being performed at Kouhaku, I'd say. My favorite performance of hers at the Kouhaku was in 2004 -- Moments. It was fantastic. Dearest in 2001 came in at a close second, though. ;P

If i'm not wrong 2004 broke the boys' winning streak of 3 years Yeah i liked that moments performance very much too. I would prefer that ayu doesn't perform the same song at the corresponding CDL like she did for 07-08. It makes that performance seem a little more special like the Jewel and Moments one. Special dress and song.

I would watch kouhaku over half-baked singaporean countdown programmes anytime. But i don't have the NHK channel so that's impossible.

[greggerz189]

Originally Posted by SolarAngel

If i'm not wrong 2004 broke the boys' winning streak of 3 years Yeah i liked that moments performance very much too. I would prefer that ayu doesn't perform the same song at the corresponding CDL like she did for 07-08. It makes that performance seem a little more special like the Jewel and Moments one. Special dress and song.

I would watch kouhaku over half-baked singaporean countdown programmes anytime. But i don't have the NHK channel so that's impossible.

That's true. She re-performed fairyland with that nasty outfit. -_-

Luckily there's a channel that shows Kouhaku every year where I am, so it's totally tradition for me. ;P

[Melon Panda]

It's sad to hear that Kouhaku lost its prestige a long time ago (I don't follow music events). What did it used to be like?

[greggerz189]

It's always been the same show, it's just that its popularity throughout the nation has been on a steady decline. I've always seen it as prestigious. It's certainly the most prestigious event that artists are invited to, at least it's considered so among those in the industry. It's right there with the prestige of being nominated at the Grand Record Taishou--they go a little bit hand-in-hand. Not necessarily that either one affects the other, but that it's a bit of a big deal to be invited at the Kouhaku and nominated at the Taishou.

If that makes any sense. Haha. Sorry if I rambled. XD

[Melon Panda]

I want to watch Kouhaku. Too bad I don't have the proper channels.

[Bashumaru]

Perfume and Kimura Kaela!!

[bondingo]

Amazing lineup. The Red Team better win this year.

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

Maybe saying honour towards Mr.Children wasn't the best thing but I'm standing by comments towards the others. The groups that I listed are the ones I find no enjoyment in their music. It's all my personal opinion. There's no reason to jump down someone's throat over one personal comment. I don't expect people to agree with me but going in the manner that you are going in is unacceptable.

I can see how that offended you. If someone something like that about Ayu, I would be. What I wouldn't do is make assumptions and act like my opinion is the definite answer. There's no point or satisfaction won in attacking someone the way you 2 have. Seriously, get over your damn selves.

My mistake on putting Aqua Timez under the Red Team. I was excitied to find that they would be attending Kouhaku.

Yes I find Perfume more talented than Morning Musume. I've heard A~chan and Nocchi sing without any electric distortions of any sort. Nocchi's singing ability is average but A~chan has a very pretty voice. I haven't heard Kashiyuka so I can't comment there.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Maybe saying honour towards Mr.Children wasn't the best thing but I'm standing by comments towards the others. The groups that I listed are the ones I find no enjoyment in their music. It's all my personal opinion. There's no reason to jump down someone's throat over one personal comment. I don't expect people to agree with me but going in the manner that you are going in is unacceptable.

I can see how that offended you. If someone something like that about Ayu, I would be. What I wouldn't do is make assumptions and act like my opinion is the definite answer. There's no point or satisfaction won in attacking someone the way you 2 have. Seriously, get over your damn selves.

My mistake on putting Aqua Timez under the Red Team. I was excitied to find that they would be attending Kouhaku.

Yes I find Perfume more talented than Morning Musume. I've heard A~chan and Nocchi sing without any electric distortions of any sort. Nocchi's singing ability is average but A~chan has a very pretty voice. I haven't heard Kashiyuka so I can't comment there.

I didn't mean to come off as attacking you and I do respect people opinions, but I respect them even more if they are informed, which really your first post does not come off as informed at all. Your post just gives the impression that you are dissing other artists that you really don't know much about or have ever given a fair shot to. (Trust me, it took me a looong time as well to realize how great Mr. Children are!) There is also such a thing as a balanced opinion that isn't insulting - which your post was to all artists involved.

You say that you listed those artists because you find no enjoyment in their music - well I don't find any enjoyment really in ET King or Exile either, but I wouldn't say that they are untalented.

As for Perfume - I've yet to see them do a song that is actually "live" anywhere, whereas Morning Musume performs live 95% of the time with the exception of a few tv performances here and there. That to me, makes them more talented by default than Perfume.(like I said though, I still enjoy Perfume's music anyways.) Nearly all of MM's voices are at least an acceptable level and some are actually very good and the ones considered the worst in the group have been improving tremendously. Also I find Perfume's dance to be extremely easy and something that doesn't exactly require a lot of talent in that department either, even if it still maybe something fun to watch.


PS. Thankyou Emiko.

And really random inconsequential thing that I just noticed: Greggerz and I joined the forum at the same time.

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

^kudos to you for standing up for yourself

and i can't wait to watch kouhaku this year~~~ ayu's performance better not be mirrorcle world, that's all i'm saying. haha.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Maybe saying honour towards Mr.Children wasn't the best thing but I'm standing by comments towards the others. The groups that I listed are the ones I find no enjoyment in their music. It's all my personal opinion. There's no reason to jump down someone's throat over one personal comment. I don't expect people to agree with me but going in the manner that you are going in is unacceptable.

I can see how that offended you. If someone something like that about Ayu, I would be. What I wouldn't do is make assumptions and act like my opinion is the definite answer. There's no point or satisfaction won in attacking someone the way you 2 have. Seriously, get over your damn selves.

My mistake on putting Aqua Timez under the Red Team. I was excitied to find that they would be attending Kouhaku.

Yes I find Perfume more talented than Morning Musume. I've heard A~chan and Nocchi sing without any electric distortions of any sort. Nocchi's singing ability is average but A~chan has a very pretty voice. I haven't heard Kashiyuka so I can't comment there.

And you need to be more careful. Making statements like certain artists don't have this or that based on nothing but the fact that their music isn't your taste, is very presumptuous of you and in very bad taste.

Crystal Kay is not my taste, AT ALL. But I would never say that she didn't deserve to be somewhere because of it.

It's sort of an ignorant statement, and they sort of had every right to tell you straight. You have to remember that your post ceases to be about personal opinion because you based a very concrete statement on nothing more than what you think, which is not enough. They were not attacking you, they were correcting you. You should be thankful that you had competent people reply to you, or else this would have gotten a lot uglier.


Anyway...I'm actually excited to see this year's Kouhaku. It's been so long since ive seen one.