Rule PV Discussion

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

I'm not trying to be mean by asking this, because I seriously want to know.

What makes Rule so boring? And what would have made it more interesting?
I just don't see the point of view of the people who feel this way....
Because in my eyes, the PV was really good. I think it served it's purpose. I don't want to seem like a crazy fan who loves everything she ***** out but I honestly don't find anything wrong with this PV...

I personally don't like seeing the same thing for..what..one and a half minutes straight and three-four minutes total? She's being doing that a lot lately.

one minute scene - 10 seconds different - one minute scene - etc.

That's awfully boring, and a good director should know this.

Her PVs back in the days of MY STORY were superb, imo. About You has so many different images, but they all fall together nicely. This PV has only three different images (or four, max) and they don't even fall together. Lol.

Of course there are exceptions to long scenes being boring, but that's not the case here.

[edit] Actually, her (m)u and Secret PVs were still good (Ladies Night, JEWEL, rainy day, 1 LOVE) but it has sort of gone down hill with Secret (Startin', Born To Be...), even further down hill with GUILTY and hit rock bottom with her recent videoclips. :') On the other hand, it can't get any worse than recently so she can only stay on the same level or improve.~

And why are her bloody dancers in EVERY PV lately? I don't LIKE your dancers, Ayu. I like YOU. That's why I'm fan of YOU and not "Ayumi Hamasaki & dancers". =_= I'm sure you have a lot of fun at the set, but how about making a good PV next time.

And Shuya is fattish and not hot.

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by Melrose

I personally don't like seeing the same thing for..what..one and a half minutes straight and three-four minutes total? She's being doing that a lot lately.

one minute scene - 10 seconds different - one minute scene - etc.

That's awfully boring, and a good director should know this.

Her PVs back in the days of MY STORY were superb, imo. About You has so many different images, but they all fall together nicely. This PV has only three different images (or four, max) and they don't even fall together. Lol.

Of course there are exceptions to long scenes being boring, but that's not the case here.

That's actually almost exactly what I was going to say! I had typed up a message but that annoying "AHS is down!" message popped up when I tried to post it.

But yeah, I was going to say, it's boring because she's doing the same thing for long periods of time. And About You was actually the PV I was thinking of as an opposite to that while I was writing my original message! Her older PVs had more going on, more different scenes, more variety. Nowadays it just seems like her PVs keep falling into this pattern of Ayu doing one thing for over a minute at a time. Boring.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

meh
who cares what other people think about ayumi and her works anyway

if you like it, good, if you didnt like it, too bad

[zoomzoom]

The PV was at least well directed and edited, thinking back to the Mirrorcle World/GREEN nightmares that Kazuyoshi spat out. It's a big step up from those, she hit rock bottom with him.

You can't help it if people find it boring, nothing to do about that. I personally found it entertaining though, it had different interesting small elements like the bird, the sword, the masks that come off and such. I thought the dance segments with the dancers doing solo dances were executed well too.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ArchangelLegend

I'm seeing another pattern or circle starting again; criticizing the criticisms of other people's criticisms that criticizes criticisms.

haha, I know, it gets tiring. If someone really is saying something inappropriate, then thats wrong, but I really don't think anyone stepped over the line here when saying what they disliked about the PV.

What bothered me was people not being able to say what they really thought of it without getting belittled and sworn at and then other people laughing and joining in as if that type of behavior is ok. Especially tanachu calling people *****es who don't know **** even though that person has as their signature a quote about how its important to respect other forum members...

Originally Posted by emiko

You know what's funny, going through the thread, you can see a clear division between what types of members have certain opinions...not to be elitist or anything. But it seems to me, that a lot of the newer members here are still in that phase where they like almost everything she does and she never does any wrong. But that might be a little offensive to say, so sorry.

I don't want to sound offensive either, but I do think there is a bit of a point there. That's of course generally speaking - its not always true. But even I'll admit that when I first got into Ayu I was like that as well.

Originally Posted by haikudasai

There are several people here who are artistically inclined and have an eye for visual beauty. If something doesn't trigger with them they aren't (female dogs) but they probably do not know any feces... nor would they want to, I would imagine.

[Ayumiko]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

The PV was at least well directed and edited, thinking back to the Mirrorcle World/GREEN nightmares that Kazuyoshi spat out. It's a big step up from those, she hit rock bottom with him.

omg....Kazuyoshi sucks so much! He ruined MW and green! Anyways, I watched rule pv a few times now and I like it more. The second half of the pv is really entertaining. I hope ayu's upcoming album pvs will have atleast one director that's not Ishii or Kazuyoshi...I'm seriously kinda sick of them. Hopefully Kazuyoshi is Luis Hernandez #2...gone after 2 pvs.

Where's Wataru Takeishi and Kouki Tange???

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

The PV was at least well directed and edited, thinking back to the Mirrorcle World/GREEN nightmares that Kazuyoshi spat out. It's a big step up from those, she hit rock bottom with him.

You can't help it if people find it boring, nothing to do about that. I personally found it entertaining though, it had different interesting small elements like the bird, the sword, the masks that come off and such. I thought the dance segments with the dancers doing solo dances were executed well too.

yea i know lol thats why i dont care anymore...

but seriously, before this forum my life was like a lot more happier LOL



the people in it is ruinning it... even that they couldnt live without ayu, they still talk bad about her ALL THE TIME, even from her best works ever... (im not saying that Rule is THAT GOOD etc)

and also, because they have a friend that likes this singer or this other singer, they talk bad about ayu too! just to make their friends happy...



so meh xD

[SpiceSquad!]

its kinda boring.. don't you think so?

come on! with song like this.. they can do better
and to be honest the jewelry Ayu does ruins the vid..

[Chibi_Venus]

These threads get filled so quickly...
I'll make my opinion short and to the point.

I really like this PV! I'm not crazy about it like, "Whoa! Ayu is so awesome!!" However, I am very impressed with it. She looks hot, the symbolism is returning (if not just as great, or better), the choreography is fantastic, and the song itself (once again) is amazing.

I'm really loving this. How does she manage to always stay on top of things?

[ayu_fantasy]

Hey people, I'm sorry i lose count. ....

Anyway, even when we stand by ayu, DOESN"T mean we're MINDLESS Obsessed fan. You better get that right.

AND NOT liking her stuff DOESN"T makes you look like a mature un-obsessed fan. It doesn't do you any justice.

Those who likes Kuu's PV, please go watch KUU's PV... instead of the eye-sore RULE PV.. Why bother complaining about things you don't like??

[ayu_fantasy]

And to those Non-asian, you like complaining that her PVs are boring, but seriously, What do you know about asian culture? And do you even know what is CONSIDERED GOOD in the context of asian culture? ayu's expectations for her PVs isn't same as your's dear . She said RULE PV is good and why bother talking so much here... haha.

Sorry about some generalisations here, but you can blame me. Some people does generalisations too.

Originally Posted by waterballoon

- Jeweled Ayu was not clear enough. I mean there's a difference between 'being there but not here', and 'being there'. In this case, it was the former. I think the idea and concept was wonderful, but the execution was meh. Perhaps it would help if she turned into the bird at the end or something...

- Where did her cleavage disappear to in the jeweled parts?

Anyway, I LOVE the idea that ayu turned into a bird.

Wow, her cleavage?? I think She's shown enough cleavage in her black outfit. hehe

[Aisha_Angel]

^And to add something to that:

I challenge ANYBODY who hates the PV for Rule to do the following:

Watch Koda Kumi's JUST THE WAY YOU ARE PV consecutively three times and I GUARANTEE two things:

#1) You'll be fascinated with her nose...the first time, fall asleep during the second time, then wake up the third time with a severe headache.

or most likely...

2) You will die of a seizure brought on by boredom...

With that being said...in comparison to that ---insert the lovely term for dog crap here--- Rule is the better PV.

(And Kuu fans, please refrain from referring to the Ayu-ken technique as seizure inducing. Ayu already has a video dedicated to that. It's called Born to Be...)

[NintendoHTF1242]

At least JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is a good song >.>

[lfe.]

[ayu_fantasy]

Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242

At least JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is a good song >.>

From what i see, you're a fan of Leah dizon and Koda kumi.. .Too bad ayu is different, and I'm happy she's different. That's why she's AYUMI HAMASAKI.

Oh,NO NO NO, I guess people gonna say I'm a mindless fanatism over ayu.

Originally Posted by lfebaggins

thIS picture is so cute!!!!

[NintendoHTF1242]

All the singers I like are different, no one is the same. Maybe musically, but not lyrically.

btw my two favorites are Utada and Ayu. Three and four can be Kuu and Leah.

Anyway, I do not want to start a fight. Lets just say I like Ayu's hair in the Rule PV xD I would have loved to see a Sparkle PV but no ;-;

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

From what i see, you're a fan of Leah dizon and Koda kumi.. .Too bad ayu is different, and I'm happy she's different. That's why she's AYUMI HAMASAKI.

Oh,NO NO NO, I guess people gonna say I'm a mindless fanatism over ayu.


thIS picture is so cute!!!!

lol i was thinking the same thing when i saw his comment and his signature LOL

[waterballoon]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

Anyway, I LOVE the idea that ayu turned into a bird.
Wow, her cleavage?? I think She's shown enough cleavage in her black outfit. hehe

Hahaha, well it's just weird, since the cleavage just disappeared~

[Yumsushi]

I hated the Jeweled Ayu with the bewildered expression. It was out of place and not representative of the bird in any way. On the other hand the dance at the end is pretty cool and Ayu looked great.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242

I would have loved to see a Sparkle PV but no ;-;

same!!!

lets hope that she will make a pv for this song in the album *-* (if the fans ask for it )