Ayu on Twitter [V]

[kagami]

I really hope Ayu doesn't listen to these people and end up quitting twitter >.<
I don't think she will, as she's done nothing wrong.

I also hope that's in only a small amount of people complaining and the majority are happy and supporting her. It must be horrible to be pressured like that by people who are supposed to be you're fans.

[Bigtop]

I don't know why there seems to be a dispute with TA... I'm not a member of it, and I think that TA for me is just a useless piece of "junk" (I word it that way) as I might be ending up paying $70 for little or nothing; they're great for hardcore Ayu fans, but I'm not at that level, and I even focus on other artists including newcomers.

I've been trying out to tweet Ayu recently (though not successfully), but not at a level like a few months ago when Ayu started tweeting. And with my busy jobs to do, at least that I'm not complaining with Ayu and I can just let her go keep busy at a time when some are complaining about this situation that we are hearing about.

[primavera♥]

Well I've recently thought how inconvenient TA would be for me even if I had the money to pay for it. Or my parents I should say as I have no job
Its not like I could buy anything etc

Its unfortunate. But for the japanese fans I don't think ayu replying to some other fans is so horrible

Considering ayu is my number one inspiration and has given new light to music for me. Twitter is a heaven (if she would reply) but still I mean. Its nice

I see no problem with ayu being closer to her fans. Why should ayu completely cut herself off from anyone who can't come up with the money to pay for TA or just finds it unnecessary

I think as long as ayu does not leak important information I see no problem with a twitter. Twitter had allowed a new insight to my fav artists (most of which have one) especially for those that tweet in english

But if they sincerely think having a twitter and attempting to tweet ayu is much more convenient than having anything to do with TA then that is them. And its their choice and I see nothing wrong with making those sort of economic desicions

I just don't see the need to guilt-trip or make ayu feel horrible. There's ways of portrraying ones dismay politely and then there's unnecessary ways of doing it imo.

Do we all love ayu? Let's not hurt her. We're her fanbase. I hate to see her fanbase, her TeamAyu being so angered.

[ownsarai]

I still don't understand how they, the JAPANESE TA MEMBERS that live IN JAPAN, feel like the membership isn't worth it. Oh yea, let's not forget that TA members got to be part of the Sunrise/Sunset PVs, get a chance to go to every concert, get special items through mu-mo, get the TA magazine...geez, all of that ALONE is worth however much it is they are paying. I see them as selfish, personally. They need to get over it. I don't think Ayu will give up easily on this. They do not own her just because they pay for a fan club membership.

[Beauty4123]

ayumi shouldn't quit twitter unless she really wants to stop tweeting all together by choice, or avex tells her to quit for some very good reason or something. otherwise, i don't think she should quit, even if some of her TA fans don't like it. they can't control what she wants to do, and if she likes to communicate with overseas fans by tweeting, then i don't see a problem with it. japan has TA and we got twitter.

Isn't fair that they don't get news faster? I don't know. I have no opinion on the subject. But, I guess it's Ayu's call, and she seems fine giving news updates on twitter.

[emi♡]

@lacus_clyne: oh I know there are people that are dissatisfied with TA, but I think for us as international fans, the fact that we are actually giving them money, like, gives us a bit of leverage with them.

I doubt that there are a lot of international fans that are going to join just because of that...but I mean, I hope that lots of people will join because they want to support Ayu, and this is an extremely direct way.

And the leverage with her management is just...a good bonus lol



I only hope that this won't get too big for her. I urge everyone to please please keep the conversation about TA members to a minimum when talking to her, and only promote how much you love her, and love having her on twitter.

I feel like, if Ayu starts to think that she is somehow being a burden on the fans, or causing them hardship in any way, she'll leave. I think that is the worst feeling for her, and the biggest thing that is going to make her feel obligated to leave.

Unless they start directly threatening her or something, but that's doubtful (I hope).

[ohsixthirty]

Originally Posted by emiko

I feel like, if Ayu starts to think that she is somehow being a burden on the fans, or causing them hardship in any way, she'll leave. I think that is the worst feeling for her, and the biggest thing that is going to make her feel obligated to leave.

THIS!!!! This is very important I think. Dont message Ayu on Twitter about TA or any of that drama! I have been thinking the exact same as u emiko. I think she will only leave if she feels she is upsetting fans or causing them problems. Thats why its important to think before you tweet!

[primavera♥]

If anything I would rather be saying kind encouraging things to ayu (as I woulld anyway) and well wishes through everything. And hoping all is okay. And just expressing how much I generally love her

I wouldn't bash any TA members or whoever...that's unnecessary for me.

I just hope ayu stays on twitter. I hope she realizes how many of us really appreciate her being there.

[hsienko]

Ugh. This is all just really stupid. I can't understand how someone can go on twitter and start ******** with their favorite singer and still call themselves a fan afterwards, that's more of a troll than a fan if you ask me.

And like everyone's said, twitter is all us international fans have. So for them to be jealous of us getting to talk to her or w/e is just stupid. I mean they wouldn't like it if US fans started bombbarding lady gaga's twitter telling her they don't approve of her talking to japanese fans or w/e.

And these TA fans are just being a bunch of crybabies, if you no longer find TA worth it then just cancel your subscription and take your business elsewhere. No need to harass ayu personally about your unhappiness with your subscription I'm pretty sure TA has some kind of customer support you can contact to voice your unhappiness. All this is spamming is going to accomplish is Ayu deciding to shut down both TA and twitter and then everyone loses.

Let's also not forget that TA had a song written and named after them. I just wanted to thrown that out there.

[asmAyumi1992]

^Lol. After this, there should be [insert title song]~for foreign fans~??

[lividlillies]

^HAHA! Yes! That'd be awesome. TA fans would **** bricks. :'D

Could anyone translate the following tweet?

RT @RedLine_forxayu: @ayu_19980408　こうやって、有名な方々がどんどんtwitterを去っていってしまうんです ね。。。

Does this person want Ayu to leave twitter? Or is he saying a lot of famous people are leaving it...? I don't know, google doesn't give a very clear translation and I don't know enough. orz

[LacusClyne]

Originally Posted by ownsarai

I still don't understand how they, the JAPANESE TA MEMBERS that live IN JAPAN, feel like the membership isn't worth it. Oh yea, let's not forget that TA members got to be part of the Sunrise/Sunset PVs, get a chance to go to every concert, get special items through mu-mo, get the TA magazine...geez, all of that ALONE is worth however much it is they are paying. I see them as selfish, personally. They need to get over it. I don't think Ayu will give up easily on this. They do not own her just because they pay for a fan club membership.

hmm.... how can you be sure that all the angry TA fans are japanese? it is unfair to scold all of them, as not all the japanese are angry, i know a few japanese TA fans and they are not angry at all.
in fact, if you read my earlier post, one of the angry TA fans is my friend from SINGAPORE....

i really don't like that most people kept thinking it's the japanese TA fans who are angry.... please don't assume.....

Originally Posted by StrawbariSnowAyumi

If anything I would rather be saying kind encouraging things to ayu (as I woulld anyway) and well wishes through everything. And hoping all is okay. And just expressing how much I generally love her

I wouldn't bash any TA members or whoever...that's unnecessary for me.

I just hope ayu stays on twitter. I hope she realizes how many of us really appreciate her being there.

yay! that's the way! I LOVE YOU FOR THIS POST!
because not all the TA fans are angry, and it's very bad to drag the innocent TA members into this.... misa-chan/me/aura/gigi/crea_spain and many more are TA members too, you guys don't wanna scold us right? right? right?*stares at everyone with puppy eyes*

Originally Posted by hsienko

And these TA fans are just being a bunch of crybabies, if you no longer find TA worth it then just cancel your subscription and take your business elsewhere. No need to harass ayu personally about your unhappiness with your subscription I'm pretty sure TA has some kind of customer support you can contact to voice your unhappiness. All this is spamming is going to accomplish is Ayu deciding to shut down both TA and twitter and then everyone loses.

Let's also not forget that TA had a song written and named after them. I just wanted to thrown that out there.

i know you are angry, but please re read my earlier post that i quote below.

there is a reason why the staff and ayu have to treat the TA fans carefully, try seeing this situation from their company point of view.
What will happen if many TA fans cancel their membership/don't renew it/ or buy a new membership?

the company will lose money and all the staff including ayu will earn lesser. A lot of people ricebowls actually depends on the TA members.

Originally Posted by LacusClyne

^yup. my friend had been a TA member for at least 4 years, but nowadays more and more people are reposting the TA contents out VERY FAST, be it release info or diaries, internet can be scary sometimes...
that is why she's feel unhappy about the money that she paid, as non-paying people are getting more info faster and even more then the paying TA members.
(-_-)

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then if we look at the TA staff/Avex side, if more people feel that it's not so worth to join TA, what could happen? they will lose members, lesser people will be willing to renew their membership, in the end ayu earns less, be it the membership fees/tickets/ or the extra TA versions.
The one who suffer from the lose of TA members in the end is ayu. So please don't blame ayu for focusing on the TA members.
This last sentence is for those who are jeolous of TA and complain that ayu keeps saying TA this, and TA that, and those complaining why is the song name [RED LINE~for TA]

[Misa-chan]

Originally Posted by ownsarai

I still don't understand how they, the JAPANESE TA MEMBERS that live IN JAPAN, feel like the membership isn't worth it. Oh yea, let's not forget that TA members got to be part of the Sunrise/Sunset PVs, get a chance to go to every concert, get special items through mu-mo, get the TA magazine...geez, all of that ALONE is worth however much it is they are paying. I see them as selfish, personally. They need to get over it. I don't think Ayu will give up easily on this. They do not own her just because they pay for a fan club membership.

That's quite an unfair statement there. There's literally hundreds of thousands of people in TA, and how many were in S/S PV? 100? That's not even 1%. And I lived in Japan for a year, got 10+ invitations to join lotteries to attend her TV performances, and how many did I win and go to? None. Being a Japanese/living in Japan doesn't mean you're any closer to ayu.

Get a chance to go to every concert? Of course, if you pay. TA doesn't go to concerts free, you know. Get special items, true, but YA and CDJ also offer the same goods nowadays. Get TA magazines, yeah, we pay 6,000yen a year for 4 magazines. I could buy a dozen of the back issues online for half the price. Besides, the mag scans appear on AHS almost immediately. Same for TA diary translations and latest news.

So what's there to complain about? When you think about it, TA members are at a disadvantage here. The "poor international fans who get nothing"?? They get everything nicely wrapped and packaged for them on AHS, IMO.

Sorry if I sound horrid, but I'm just really frustrated that you guys just keep lumping all TA fans into a crazy-hater-group and throwing all the blame on them (without good reason).

[Ayu-me]

Originally Posted by LacusClyne

hmm.... how can you be sure that all the angry TA fans are japanese? it is unfair to scold all of them, as not all the japanese are angry, i know a few japanese TA fans and they are not angry at all.
in fact, if you read my earlier post, one of the angry TA fans is my friend from SINGAPORE....

i really don't like that most people kept thinking it's the japanese TA fans who are angry.... please don't assume.....



yay! that's the way! I LOVE YOU FOR THIS POST!
because not all the TA fans are angry, and it's very bad to drag the innocent TA members into this.... misa-chan/me/aura/gigi/crea_spain and many more are TA members too, you guys don't wanna scold us right? right? right?*stares at everyone with puppy eyes*


i know you are angry, but please re read my earlier post that i quote below.

there is a reason why the staff and ayu have to treat the TA fans carefully, try seeing this situation from their company point of view.
What will happen if many TA fans cancel their membership/don't renew it/ or buy a new membership?

the company will lose money and all the staff including ayu will earn lesser. A lot of people ricebowls actually depends on the TA members.

To be honest, I don't see why the TA members have such a problem with Ayu giving a tiny bit of privilege to international fans too. So what, is it OUR fault their subscriptions to TA are starting to mean less? Don't TA messages, magazines and such leak outside TA by Japanese people who have no intention of sharing with or translating for people outside Asia? It's like with piracy, no matter how you protect it people are going to get it and distribute for free anyway. Within the country itself or internationally.
We're living in a big information society where you can get nearly anything through the Internet, many times for free even though it's often illegal. Leaking out pay-stuff for free is nothing new, and is not exclusive to mere pictures and texts. I could easily download an Ayu concert-DVD I'd normally pay $50 for, for free. Same with an Ayu CD. It's a big problem in Japan, it's a big problem in all countries with advanced information technology. So why are they acting as if the international are suddenly getting incredible privileges? I don't feel incredibly privileged, Ayu talks 95% in Japanese on Twitter and she publishes a couple of simple pictures occasionally, but I don't get any concert discounts or special gifts or anything.

[miki_beland]

solution: that they make some kind of "twitter" tool inside TA, i'm not speakinf of twitter itself, but some kind of program only for the members of TA. of course i don't like the idea, but that'd be the solution for the TA members to stop getting angry by twitter.

[aura~]

Originally Posted by Misa-chan

That's quite an unfair statement there. There's literally hundreds of thousands of people in TA, and how many were in S/S PV? 100? That's not even 1%. And I lived in Japan for a year, got 10+ invitations to join lotteries to attend her TV performances, and how many did I win and go to? None. Being a Japanese/living in Japan doesn't mean you're any closer to ayu.

Get a chance to go to every concert? Of course, if you pay. TA doesn't go to concerts free, you know. Get special items, true, but YA and CDJ also offer the same goods nowadays. Get TA magazines, yeah, we pay 6,000yen a year for 4 magazines. I could buy a dozen of the back issues online for half the price. Besides, the mag scans appear on AHS almost immediately. Same for TA diary translations and latest news.

So what's there to complain about? When you think about it, TA members are at a disadvantage here. The "poor international fans who get nothing"?? They get everything nicely wrapped and packaged for them on AHS, IMO.

Sorry if I sound horrid, but I'm just really frustrated that you guys just keep lumping all TA fans into a crazy-hater-group and throwing all the blame on them (without good reason).

You are right...

Maybe TA and everything they offer wasn't made for international fans, but here you can get everything!

The only thing we don't have is the facility to attend her concerts and participate in some FC privilegies (like go to TV performances and such). Other than that we can get EVERYTHING through YesAsia, becoming TA member or through a middleman.

Yeah, we have to pay more for shippings, and wait somedays to get our CD's and all that... but well, Ayu is a Japanese artist... It's our decision to suport her no matter what, and international ayu fan (or every j-pop fan) has to know that pay extra money is part of being a fan of those artists.

We can't blame TA members or japanese fans in general for that.

I don't say any of those members or whoever who send ayu angry messages is right, I don't think what ayu said about CDL is that bad to complain like this... but I would understand they complain for all the info, messages and pics leaking... and it's not enough to say "if you think it's not worth just leave TA"... TA members pay for all this material, not only for the tickets, mags and the chance of attending a TV performance... they pay for exclusive ayu messages, personal pics, early announcements and exclusive products.

And I've to say that it's us, TA foreign fans who started leaking EVERYTHING, before that I think people ha to search or wait for AyuChina to say sth... So in fact TA members would be in their right to be angry with us...


But anyway... I'm almost sure this discussion has nothing to do with us... They just complained because, not only TA info leaks by members who share, but if they THINK Ayu herselfs also starts saying things in twitter before in TA, then TA it's 100% useless for everyone...

And I don't say Ayu did, but if they think so I can understand them...

The other thing is that, because they complain, Ayu may decide to quit twitter, and that would be really sad for us. But that doesn't mean they are complaining to leave us without twitter!

I mean... I attended 5 concerts 2 weeks ago, and japanese fans were really happy to see foreign ayu fans, in any moment I felt they looked bad at me, the opposite!


Maybe those who complained because of that CDL info are wrong and went too far complaining to Ayu, but that doesn't mean TA or japanese fans hate us because it's not true!

But also, that they are wrong with that doesn't mean those who complain for TA contents leaking are wrong, it's another thing and I understand them...

[Ayu-me]

Originally Posted by aura~

You are right...

Maybe TA and everything they offer wasn't made for international fans, but here you can get everything!

The only thing we don't have is the facility to attend her concerts and participate in some FC privilegies (like go to TV performances and such). Other than that we can get EVERYTHING through YesAsia, becoming TA member or through a middleman.

Yeah, we have to pay more for shippings, and wait somedays to get our CD's and all that... but well, Ayu is a Japanese artist... It's our decision to suport her no matter what, and international ayu fan (or every j-pop fan) has to know that pay extra money is part of being a fan of those artists.

We can't blame TA members or japanese fans in general for that.

I don't say any of those members or whoever who send ayu angry messages is right, I don't think what ayu said about CDL is that bad to complain like this... but I would understand they complain for all the info, messages and pics leaking... and it's not enough to say "if you think it's not worth just leave TA"... TA members pay for all this material, not only for the tickets, mags and the chance of attending a TV performance... they pay for exclusive ayu messages, personal pics, early announcements and exclusive products.

And I've to say that it's us, TA foreign fans who started leaking EVERYTHING, before that I think people ha to search or wait for AyuChina to say sth... So in fact TA members would be in their right to be angry with us...


But anyway... I'm almost sure this discussion has nothing to do with us... They just complained because, not only TA info leaks by members who share, but if they THINK Ayu herselfs also starts saying things in twitter before in TA, then TA it's 100% useless for everyone...

And I don't say Ayu did, but if they think so I can understand them...

The other thing is that, because they complain, Ayu may decide to quit twitter, and that would be really sad for us. But that doesn't mean they are complaining to leave us without twitter!

I mean... I attended 5 concerts 2 weeks ago, and japanese fans were really happy to see foreign ayu fans, in any moment I felt they looked bad at me, the opposite!


Maybe those who complained because of that CDL info are wrong and went too far complaining to Ayu, but that doesn't mean TA or japanese fans hate us because it's not true!

But also, that they are wrong with that doesn't mean those who complain for TA contents leaking are wrong, it's another thing and I understand them...

How do you know that? Japanese TA members could have been leaking stuff to Japanese fans long before we started doing anything. Piracy, leaking of pay-stuff and such, came way before us. It's a big problem in Japan, in Asia, in North America, and in Europe. Where there's Internet, things WILL leak. I seriously doubt the leaking is only done by international fans. I've seen Ayu's all singles and albums, available for free download, on JAPANESE sites. Where you can also download complete scans of every single page in a Japanese magazine, or manga, or even a book. Piracy happens all the time, it may not be OK, it may not be legal, but we were not the ones to start it. Blame the person who invented Internet instead.

[koumori]

I agree with Misa-Chan, that we at AHS are lucky to get the opputunity to read her TA blogs and be able to have a large Ayu community like TA does.

And no, before anyone says anything, I'm not lumping together all members of TA into a hate-group that is against international fans having contact with Ayumi for 'free'. This is my opinion.

If I had the opputunity, I'd join TA. I think the majority of AHS would literally implode at the news of an International Team Ayu being announced. They do get privilages, they have the chance of being in concert-lotteries, they have their own website, and most important of all - AYUMI IS AWARE OF THEM. A truth of AHS, no matter how dedicated, is that it must not be mentioned at all to Ayu or any of her staff, even though to be recognised as an internationl Ayu fan-group would be amazing. But if we were put in the spotlight, we would obviously be shut-down. So Twitter gives us the chance to communicate with Ayu as individuals - even though we can't show how united we are as a forum, how serious we are that we all organised A WORLD IS ONE, we can at least show our dedication through a micro-blogging site.

I'm glad Ayu focuses on certain people because as Emiko said they're representing international fans, and that's a good thing that Ayu is noticing us at all.

The point I'm trying to make is, aside from special gifts and a magazine subscription and special once-in-a-lifetime chances TA get - obviously not for free, but that was their choice to sign up - they get the chance to be not only the subject of Ayu's thanks, but even the subject of one of her songs - where as of yet, no matter how many singles/albums/merchandise we buy, or discussions we have, international fans can only be thanked by individual names so far, and not as a whole. This, I think, is the saddest thing - and the thing I'm most envious of TA for having.

And if Twitter is the only way we can thank Ayu for her efforts, it's a good enough reason to fight for the chance to let ourselves be heard. ~

[aura~]

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^yeah leaks are everywhere, and piracy of course, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about TA information... I don't remember any Japanese TA fan sharing that info here honestly... before some of us started sharing (foreign TA members) I don't remember anyone posting TA info as we have it nowadays...

i don't know... I cam here on 2008 I don't know if years before TA info leaked like it does now...