'M(A)DE IN JAPAN' out June 29th + 2015 TA TOUR (TA ver.)

[Corvina]

Originally Posted by Ryusei

Yup... Which is why oricon isn't too accurate anymore.. they exclude: concert venue sales, corporate owned shops (is that the expression?) like mu-mo, sony's equivalent of mu-mo no idea what the name is, digital sales ofc, music cards (which is why almost nobody does them anymore now), fanclub sales etc. Pretty much all they count is japanese CD stores (in Japan) and that's it.

Are you sure they don't count mu-mo sales?
Cause if so, official sales of some artists don't make sense... e.g. Kuu' s last two albums, which had FC versions, sold with normal editions according to Souncscan only about half of the offical sales. Where is fhe other half comig from, if not from FC and music card versions, which were sold through mu-mo (for music cards before they stopped counting)?

[Ryusei]

Originally Posted by Corvina

Are you sure they don't count mu-mo sales?
Cause if so, official sales of some artists don't make sense... e.g. Kuu' s last two albums, which had FC versions, sold with normal editions according to Souncscan only about half of the offical sales. Where is fhe other half comig from, if not from FC and music card versions, which were sold through mu-mo (for music cards before they stopped counting)?

I'm pretty sure mu-mo doesn't count because it's owned by avex idk the exact reason but I have read that in quite a few places. bon voyage and walk of my life were both released before music cards stopped counting, so maybe from there. Soundscan has always been weird too IMO because sometimes the numbers on soundscan were higher than the ones on oricon. e.g. Perfume's star train single sold about 65'000 copies in the first week according to oricon but soundscan said it was over 80'000... so idk really the japanese counting system for records is a giant mess

[//ABEST]

Originally Posted by Ryusei

I'm pretty sure mu-mo doesn't count because it's owned by avex idk the exact reason but I have read that in quite a few places. bon voyage and walk of my life were both released before music cards stopped counting, so maybe from there. Soundscan has always been weird too IMO because sometimes the numbers on soundscan were higher than the ones on oricon. e.g. Perfume's star train single sold about 65'000 copies in the first week according to oricon but soundscan said it was over 80'000... so idk really the japanese counting system for records is a giant mess

maybe it counts sales which oricon leaves outside?

[Corvina]

Originally Posted by Ryusei

I'm pretty sure mu-mo doesn't count because it's owned by avex idk the exact reason but I have read that in quite a few places. bon voyage and walk of my life were both released before music cards stopped counting, so maybe from there. Soundscan has always been weird too IMO because sometimes the numbers on soundscan were higher than the ones on oricon. e.g. Perfume's star train single sold about 65'000 copies in the first week according to oricon but soundscan said it was over 80'000... so idk really the japanese counting system for records is a giant mess

Hm, yeah, but avex sold music cards only through mu-mo as well, not elsewhere, didn't they?
It is a bit of a mess.

[Ryusei]

Originally Posted by Corvina

Hm, yeah, but avex sold music cards only through mu-mo as well, not elsewhere, didn't they?
It is a bit of a mess.

aaaaah I mistook it sorry, Soundscan didn't count mu-mo and fanclub stuff but oricon does. Soundscan gave a nice insight about how many people order from the fanclub and stuff tho because you could look at the difference of sales.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Ryusei

I'm pretty sure mu-mo doesn't count because it's owned by avex idk the exact reason but I have read that in quite a few places. bon voyage and walk of my life were both released before music cards stopped counting, so maybe from there. Soundscan has always been weird too IMO because sometimes the numbers on soundscan were higher than the ones on oricon. e.g. Perfume's star train single sold about 65'000 copies in the first week according to oricon but soundscan said it was over 80'000... so idk really the japanese counting system for records is a giant mess

Oricon counts how many copies were sold to the final consumer. Soundscan, if I'm not wrong, counts how much copies were sold to stores.